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Tuesday, December 23 2003 @ 01:36 PM GMT+4
Contributed by: Anonymous

OtherMaybe you’ve noticed the white streaks in the sky. Maybe you’ve seen them criss-cross into X’s or grids. Maybe you’ve just presumed this to be “interesting”, but nothing more. Yesterday and Sunday there were more than I'd seen in a while, and I'm getting kind of wierded out about it.

If you haven’t noticed this phenomenon, start looking up at the sky, usually on a perfectly clear day. There are planes flying over the Brattleboro/Keene area, leaving behind them streaks of “exhaust” that eventually spread out and look like cloud streaks, and finally, a generalized haze.

Why, I’ve been wondering? What is this about? It just seems odd. So I did a little research on the web. You should, too.

I can’t say I’ve found any really conclusive answers, other than the fact that more questions need to be asked. What I now know is:

1. Planes are not supposed to leave streaks of white stuff after them. In some conditions, vapor trails or “contrails” are not uncommon, but they dissipate very quickly. These streaks last for hours, and are usually in characteristic X’s, grids, or parallel lines. The speculation is that these are not "contrails, but "chemtrails", trails of chemicals.

2. This phenomenon began to be noticed around 1999. It usually happens over high-density population areas.

3. Some have speculated on all sorts of fairly whacky reasons for this, from weather control to mass inoculations to protection from loss of ozone. I, for one, haven’t yet found a definitive answer, or even one that feels far more plausible than the others. All I know is, I don’t know what this is, and I’d like to.

So, I’m planning to research it more, and learn what I can, and contact whichever agencies seem appropriate, in the hope of getting some clarity. It’s just weird, these low-flying planes leaving stuff behind them that just shouldn’t be there. I would encourage everyone to start noticing this, and learning what you can, and asking proper authorities to explain this. Do a Google search on "chemtrails", but be aware that there are a lot of pretty loony theories about this, as well as some supported by science and reason.

If you have noticed this phenomenon, I'd love to hear others opinions or speculations about it.

 

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    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, December 23 2003 @ 03:32 PM GMT+4
    According to an article that I read recently, these contrails (which only happen under certain atmospheric conditions) help build up the greenhouse effect. They create mini-cloud banks which trap heat from being released into the outer stratosphere.

    The article was advocating for new equipment which would alert pilots and control tower folks when contrail producing conditions were in effect. Then if possible, the pilots could fly at lower altitudes (around 6,000 feet) which would eliminate the contrail effect.

    So, according to the article, contrails are vapor trails which happen at HIGH altitudes, not low ones.
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, December 23 2003 @ 07:14 PM GMT+4
    Yes, I know about the contrails. What I'm wondering about are these other trails of unknown composition. Vapor trails just evaporate within seconds/minutes. These other things linger for hours, slowly spreading into cloud-like things, then a general haze.

    I just saw an example of a contrail a few minutes ago, as a plane flew by. The vapor trail shrunk and cleared to nothing within seconds. The trails I've been seeing of late are in patterns, X's, waffle shape, and are much more intensely white than the contrails, and are clearly more than just exhaust or contrails.

    Contrails at high altitude make sense. Contrails or chemtrails of this nature, at relatively low altitude, do not make sense.
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, December 23 2003 @ 09:27 PM GMT+4
    I'm sure its mind control/memory erasure chemicals being spread by the aliens!

    Probably you are being abducted and anally probed often after noticing these contrails . . . and not even realizing it or remembering it!

    ;)

    ----

    Occam's razor is worth studying.
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, December 23 2003 @ 09:33 PM GMT+4
    You know, I hesitated even broaching this subject, for fear that someone would simply ridicule it. I'm not implying or suggesting any particular scenario. But I think it is reasonable to question an observable phenomenon that has no clear answer.

    I don't buy in to most conspiracy theories, and I'm, even ready to believe that whatever is the cause, it may even be to our advnatage or protection. But I've raised the question to find answers, and to raise awareness. If it's a benign event, then so be it. If it's not, I'd like to know.
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, December 23 2003 @ 10:49 PM GMT+4
    Early this morning I saw a large white X above the new Parking Garage. I stared as long as I could but my ears started ringing and I blanked out. I woke up sitting in front of Mocha Joe's and my butt was sore.

    Do you think I should quit looking at the sky, or stay away from the parking garage? Serious responses only, please.
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 24 2003 @ 01:44 AM GMT+4
    This whole new conspiracy theory is called "chemtrails'' -- and has been a hot new ticket on the internet for the last year, though the idea goes back decades.

    There are several problems with the "chemtrails" story. One of the key, supposedly mysterious features attributed to them is their ability to fan out across the sky, creating blankets of cloud cover. Many breathless observers have described witnessing this process, which is, in fact, entirely normal. In finely balanced conditions, when the air at high altitude is near water-saturation point, the ice crystals leaving a plane’s exhaust can suddenly tip the scales, causing cirrus clouds to creep gradually across the skies for miles. In an excellent critical assault, researcher Jay Reynolds made the crucial point that the alleged chemical-spraying planes are flying far too high to directly affect observers on the ground, as contrails only form at the freezing temperatures found 5-10 miles (8-16km) up. Witnesses claimed to become ill soon after seeing trail-leaving planes in the sky, but any sprayed chemical agents or substances would drift several hundred miles before reaching the ground, most likely evaporating or degrading before reaching their victims.

    Noisy "chemtrail" proponent William Thomas was also selling vitamin and mineral supplements to protect against chemical warfare agents – and the effects of contrail poisonings. A much-touted lab report circulated by one Richard Finke, pinpointing EDB traces in the contrails, was also found to be entirely fictitious. A cunning cash-in on the anxieties of the chemical generation? Perhaps, but as has been shown on previous occasions – with the EQ Pegasi hoax, for example [FT119:22] – it doesn’t take much for the Web’s fringe-dwellers to start getting the fear.

    The contrail threat isn’t entirely imagined, however. NASA has been carrying out genuine research into the possible effects of contrails and increased air activity on the environment. An average contrail can last for hours before evolving into cirrus clouds – the largest measured covered 2,000 square miles (5,180sq km) of west America. Scientists have long been concerned that, with an expected six-fold increase in plane flights, such cirrus spreads might trap heat in the Earth’s atmosphere, so contributing to global warning. According to NASA research, cirrus cloud cover over America has increased five per cent since 1971, with the figure higher in the north-east.

    By late April, other than for a few die-hards, the panic seemed to have abated somewhat. The "chemtrails" crisis preys on concerns which, to varying extents, we all share – continued environmental pollution, the threat of biological warfare and terrorism, mistrust of government. It also demonstrates our continuing susceptibility to irrational fears, the speed with which mass panics can now span continents and cross oceans, and most clearly of all, our ignorance of the skies under which we live our lives.
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 24 2003 @ 02:36 AM GMT+4
    Now THAT'S a sensible response. Literate, full of facts and research, and addresses both sides of the issue. Indeed, this is NOT a non-issue, but may well be no big deal at all.

    Still, I can't quite figure out: why the X's? And why do these trails linger so long? Regular contrails dissipate quickly.

    Thanks for your substantive response.
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 24 2003 @ 02:45 AM GMT+4
    Yey, but what about the guy who woke up in Mocha Joe's with his butt sore? Serious replies only, please.
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 24 2003 @ 03:07 AM GMT+4
    Look--he chooses to remain anonymous. Probably because it's happened a number of times. I don't know if he got "porbed" or booted out and landed on a parking meter.
    Witness Protection
    Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 24 2003 @ 03:12 AM GMT+4
    We need a Witness Protection program in Brattleboro. For those who have seen chemtrails, UFO's, and been porbed.
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 24 2003 @ 03:20 AM GMT+4
    The X has to do with the X-files. Simple. Aliens don't speak English, so when they communicate with us, they have to use X's. Or 0's. Like some people sign their name around here.
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 24 2003 @ 03:54 AM GMT+4
    NASA did a study in the 70's about the use of contrails to subjugate U.S. citizens--and cows. In theory, the strange phenomenom causes humans, and cows, to look skyward and lose track of common sense and normal reasoning. When the head tips backwards, blood flow decreases to the brain.

    Please send this to six other people and you will receive good luck.
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 24 2003 @ 06:07 AM GMT+4
    Why the X's? Well, planes paths have to cross someplace! And since IFR routes are long established - the routes will tend to be at similar elevations, and the X's will happen generally in the same places, AND -- statistically even more along the same days/times. Thats the nature of the complex air system.

    I'm glad you found my previous post good - but I suspect you were only looking in it for what you want. I'm a former commercial pilot - and have spent thousands of hours following others contrails, seeing contrails above me and below me.

    Fact is that JP-8's (jet fuel) combustion byproducts, in conjuction with speed and temperature differential - have long been known to have widly variable visual effect - depending upon pressure (mostly affected by altitude, but some by weather), temperature, speed of travel, humidity and perhaps other factors.

    Only recently have contrails become much of a subject for research, because there is concern now about environmental impact -- mostly due to light reflection caused by the sometimes persistant and spreading contrail that can be created by ANY jet if all the variables line up the right way.

    Since only recently has this become a big research area, people who are now reading complex and bizarre conspiracy theory's into them -- are really just taking advantage of the fact that we don't know that much about all the exact variable of them yet.

    But really . . . if you follow a fellow jet on a high altitude IFR route - especially when you are in a atmospheric layer that is not moving much at that moment -- you can see their contrail sometimes be VERY persistant and spread, and sometimes even basically see other clouds.
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 24 2003 @ 08:43 AM GMT+4
    Hey, you sound like me...

    Have you often found that when you raise a question simply because you are a curious and alive human being, the answer often is:

    "Why do you have to know that?"
    or
    "What are you accusing me of?"
    Regards,
    Anonymouse
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 24 2003 @ 01:57 PM GMT+4
    Amen to that! Honestly, I've got a pretty good grasp on reality, and a genuine curiosity. But when you dare aska question that isn't covered on Entertainment Tonight or CNN, you get nothing but contempt. It's amazing to me that so many people simply accept the status quo, as if everything on the planet were running perfectly, and there is no reason to doubt the common "wisdom". Granted, if I asked a question like "has anybody else seen the little green men who keep moving my furniture?", there'd be room for doubt. But I've asked a question about a phenomenon that I, for one, never noticed as a child growing up, and have become more and more curious about.

    To live the examined life.........although it sets you up for disdain from the common herd, it can't be resisted.
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: JOHNDOE#1 on Wednesday, December 24 2003 @ 07:23 PM GMT+4
    I remember hearing something about the Concorde flying through a part of the atmosphere that was sensitive to it's exhaust.

    I agree the streaks are most likely a natural effect(considering the fact they are caused by aircraft) of ordinary pollution. The chemical/heat interactions are noticed being carried by things like the jetstream and levels of the atmosphere that can do funny things with clouds, not to mention intersecting aircraft exhaust.

    The patterns can be explained by intersecting flight patterns which would naturally be seen over large populations. I'll notice when we see things like cloud circles (crop circles), but then one could argue it was still a matter of govt. conspiracy or aliens.

    Besides, there are much more efficient ways to control the masses. Like the public water supply.
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 24 2003 @ 08:45 PM GMT+4
    If it was an ''examined'' life, as you so graciously and *modestly* dub your life -- you would have simply gone out and researched it on the net.

    You also would recognize that we were debating ideas, which is not personal. But by holding yourself up as superior to the ''herd'' . . . you now take it out of a debate of ideas and into one of personalitys.

    Every human on the planet is just SURE that *their* beliefs/ideas are the product of truly independant thought and research, but they also just KNOW that nearly everybody eles's are just a product of herd mentality.

    And I suspect the irony escapes you.
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: THE_KING on Wednesday, December 24 2003 @ 11:43 PM GMT+4
    Go easy on him, brother. He's all shook up.
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 24 2003 @ 11:45 PM GMT+4
    The X's are from witches playing tic-tac-toe in the sky.
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, December 25 2003 @ 01:00 PM GMT+4
    I, for one, am just waiting for a clear day so I may observe these white streaks! Sounds fascinating to me. And as for the alien thread on here, it was to be expected. There are people out there who just don't or can't imagine some new phenomenon. New species of fish, plants and even a mammal (if I remember correctly) have been discovered recently! We (humans) don't know everything. Why couldn't white streaks occur in the sky? Especially as we continue to pollute the earth and atmosphere, and change it's composition. White streaks don't surprise me, but I've got to see them first. Then I'll be interested in doing web and other research. -LEH
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, December 25 2003 @ 02:54 AM GMT+4
    ---If it was an ''examined'' life, as you so graciously and *modestly* dub your life -- you would have simply gone out and researched it on the net.

    I did research it.......did you not read the original posts? I was looking for feedback and input from the local community.

    ---You also would recognize that we were debating ideas, which is not personal.

    Where? Where is there a debate? I see very few substantive responses, and quite a few smart-assy comments that trivialize a genuine curiosity. The goal was to provoke discussion, not necessarily debate. I haven't even taken a position on this issue. I've only asked some questions.

    ---But by holding yourself up as superior to the ''herd'' . . . you now take it out of a debate of ideas and into one of personalitys

    I didn't say superior.......all lives are to be equally valued.....but I will go out on a limb and say that the average American is, sadly, pretty dumb, and although I have plenty of flaws, being dumb is not one of them.

    ---And I suspect the irony escapes you.

    Nope. The irony is that your use of the term "irony" is poorly applied, thereby making your statement poetically ironic. So, no, it didn't escape me.

    Look, I don't want to debate me, us, Americans, or anything. I simply observed a phenomenon, did some cursory web research, found some interesting stuff, and put it out there for discussion. I don't see the point of twisting it into anything personal or vitriolic. If you've got nothing to say about the original issue, then leave it at that.
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, December 25 2003 @ 11:51 PM GMT+4
    "If you have nothing to say about the original issue then . . . "

    I did, and here it is again.

    ------------------------------

    This whole new conspiracy theory is called "chemtrails'' -- and has been a hot new ticket on the internet for the last year, though the idea goes back decades.

    There are several problems with the "chemtrails" story. One of the key, supposedly mysterious features attributed to them is their ability to fan out across the sky, creating blankets of cloud cover. Many breathless observers have described witnessing this process, which is, in fact, entirely normal. In finely balanced conditions, when the air at high altitude is near water-saturation point, the ice crystals leaving a plane’s exhaust can suddenly tip the scales, causing cirrus clouds to creep gradually across the skies for miles. In an excellent critical assault, researcher Jay Reynolds made the crucial point that the alleged chemical-spraying planes are flying far too high to directly affect observers on the ground, as contrails only form at the freezing temperatures found 5-10 miles (8-16km) up. Witnesses claimed to become ill soon after seeing trail-leaving planes in the sky, but any sprayed chemical agents or substances would drift several hundred miles before reaching the ground, most likely evaporating or degrading before reaching their victims.

    Noisy "chemtrail" proponent William Thomas was also selling vitamin and mineral supplements to protect against chemical warfare agents – and the effects of contrail poisonings. A much-touted lab report circulated by one Richard Finke, pinpointing EDB traces in the contrails, was also found to be entirely fictitious. A cunning cash-in on the anxieties of the chemical generation? Perhaps, but as has been shown on previous occasions – with the EQ Pegasi hoax, for example [FT119:22] – it doesn’t take much for the Web’s fringe-dwellers to start getting the fear.

    The contrail threat isn’t entirely imagined, however. NASA has been carrying out genuine research into the possible effects of contrails and increased air activity on the environment. An average contrail can last for hours before evolving into cirrus clouds – the largest measured covered 2,000 square miles (5,180sq km) of west America. Scientists have long been concerned that, with an expected six-fold increase in plane flights, such cirrus spreads might trap heat in the Earth’s atmosphere, so contributing to global warning. According to NASA research, cirrus cloud cover over America has increased five per cent since 1971, with the figure higher in the north-east.

    By late April, other than for a few die-hards, the panic seemed to have abated somewhat. The "chemtrails" crisis preys on concerns which, to varying extents, we all share – continued environmental pollution, the threat of biological warfare and terrorism, mistrust of government. It also demonstrates our continuing susceptibility to irrational fears, the speed with which mass panics can now span continents and cross oceans, and most clearly of all, our ignorance of the skies under which we live our lives.
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 26 2003 @ 12:57 AM GMT+4
    I'll send it to six friends. But how do I know I'll get good luck?
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 26 2003 @ 01:39 AM GMT+4
    Because he said so.
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 26 2003 @ 02:20 AM GMT+4
    That would be worth discussing, if it wasn't copied and pasted from a Fortean Times/Rense web page. Got any of your own ideas? Any other sources of information?
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 26 2003 @ 08:30 PM GMT+4
    I don't know where he/she got that info. But because you know the source, does that then invalidate the information? Sounds like you are not just dangling an idea out there, but have a specific agenda. So please, why don't you quickly point out the falws in that cut and pasted bit then since its not good information by your judgment?
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 27 2003 @ 01:40 PM GMT+4
    That's right. I'll vouch for this chap. I know him well. Besides, you didn't think you were gonna' find a pot-o-gold at the end of the contrail, did you?
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 27 2003 @ 04:09 PM GMT+4
    Uh -- so you vouch for him and -- BOOM, there we go! Its now PROVEN! There can't possibly be any less sinister reason behind the contrails . . . it simply MUST BE a dark plot by government and/or corporate powers!
    White Streaks in the Sky?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 27 2003 @ 05:36 PM GMT+4
    I once saw the same thing on an old Star Trek rerun. The ship was held in place (just like the Earth is) and these little ships started making a web, one contrail at a time to trap the Enterprise.

    Luckily Kirk was smart enough to get out of this trap but not before Scotty said, "I'm givin' you all she's got Captain." And Spock said, "that's logical." But then it came down to Sulu pushing the right button when Kirk said, "Get us out of here."

    We need a President like this. Bush should be able to say to Powell, "get us outa' here, Mister."