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    Peace Among Children and the Brattleboro Police Department    
    Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 01:22 PM GMT+5
    Contributed by: Linaelin

    Town NewsIt was only a drill but the Brattleboro police department spent an entire day running through simulations of school shootings with their new special reaction team, or SRT. To make the drill realistic they used flash bangs, gunfire and alarms.

    If school children are continually treated like they're criminals, do you think they'll eventually act like them too? I mean, does anyone here have a child who has shot them recently?

     

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    Peace Among Children and the Brattleboro Police Department
    Authored by: cgrotke on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 02:41 PM GMT+5
    A slight correction... the SRT isn't new. From the Brattleboro Police
    Department website:

    "The Brattleboro Police Department Special Reaction Team was
    originaly formed in 1979. The team is currently staffed by seven
    members chosen from both the patrol and detective divisions. All
    members are required to attend specialized training at the Vermont
    Police Academy, and also attend monthly interdepartmental training
    sessions.

    Special Reaction Team training encompasses dynamic and strategic
    building entries, use of diversionary devices, rappelling, hostage
    rescue, subduing/apprehending barricaded subjects, service of high risk
    search and/or arrest warrants, use of less lethal force, various
    weapons systems, chemical irritants, and disarming techniques.

    All members are regular patrol officers and detectives who serve with
    the Special Reaction Team on a part time basis, in addition to their
    regular duties. They are on call 24 hours a day, 365 days a year."

    .....

    I don't know how it is with crime, but I've found that kids respond
    well to encouragement when I've taught art or animation.
    Peace Among Children and the Brattleboro Police Department
    Authored by: annikee on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 02:50 PM GMT+5
    What was the purpose in doing this? Who okayed it? I saw nothing about this anywhere until Linaelin's post. Are they instructing the children in doing this or turning this into a game? This is sick and twisted and there ought to be some stink made.
    Peace Among Children and the Brattleboro Police Department
    Authored by: cgrotke on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 03:02 PM GMT+5
    I can't find this anywhere, either.
    Peace Among Children and the Brattleboro Police Department
    Authored by: Crumhorn on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 04:49 PM GMT+5
    I'd say you're making quite a stink about it! Would you rather they used dolls or cardboard cutouts to simulate the real kids. I'm sure that the kids were not just plucked out of the air to participate. No doubt their parents had something to say about the PD using their children in this training exercise. What if if were your children trapped in the school with a gun toting student or other person looking to shoot teachers, students, or god forbid YOUR KIDS! If the police didn't know how to respond to the situation because they weren't trained how to deal with "real" kids under various conditions, no doubt you'd be the first to make a stink about that, I'm sure.
    Peace Among Children and the Brattleboro Police Department
    Authored by: annikee on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 05:19 PM GMT+5
    There are miles between cardboard cut outs and real kids. As for the police being able to know how to deal with real kids in one of those horrific situations because they had some kids "act terrified" (whatever that means), once, poppycock. I would never allow my children to participate in what, at that developmental stage, could be damaging at worst, and a violent acting game, at best.
    Peace Among Children and the Brattleboro Police Department
    Authored by: Crumhorn on Thursday, January 04 2007 @ 10:22 AM GMT+5
    Annikee,
    Do you object to the fact that the PD trained for possible scenarios invloving armed individuals and hostages at BUHS so they are better prepared to respond to this type of violence? Or, do you think they should just ignore the possibility of that ever happening in our little community and then when it's time to react they'll go in blindly, unprepared and risk the deaths of many rather than a few? I guess I'm unclear as to your real underlying objection.
    Peace Among Children and the Brattleboro Police Department
    Authored by: annikee on Thursday, January 04 2007 @ 10:27 AM GMT+5
    C) None of the above.
    I object to school children being involved in this exercise. Period. Hope that clears it up for ya.
    Peace Among Children and the Brattleboro Police Department
    Authored by: Brandon on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 03:42 PM GMT+5
    cgrotke is correct, the SRT team has been existance for many years. They are specially trained to deal with hostage situations, ect. I saw an article on this training session either the day before or the day that it happened in the Reformer. It was also announced several times on the radio, advising citizens that it was happening so they wouldn't be startled. Annikee, as for the purpose of doing this .... have you not read the newspapers, watched TV news ect on the countless shootings in schools across the country. Just a couple of months ago an armed man entered a one room schoolhouse in the Amish Country in Penn. holding several children hostage before killing a few! Ever heard of Columbine? Two student shooters killing several staff & fellow students? There are guns in schools across the country every day, why is it so wrong that people having to go in and get your child out safely is not properly trained and prepared. It is not a game, it is real life and can be with real dead people if the police are not rained. I'm sorry you feel this way, it really isn't fair to the people that risk their lives every day to protect you.
    Peace Among Children and the Brattleboro Police Department
    Authored by: annikee on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 03:49 PM GMT+5
    My point, apparently lost on you, is that this story was presented as having CHILDREN involved in this "exercise". Of course these people have to rehearse these things, but why are children involved? I'm offended at your personal attack on me. I have had Police Officers in my family for generations. How dare you presume to be so demeaning.
    Peace Among Children and the Brattleboro Police Department
    Authored by: Linaelin on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 03:53 PM GMT+5
    No, no. I didn't say anything about children being involved. It took place apparently at the school when no students were in class during the break.
    Peace Among Children and the Brattleboro Police Department
    Authored by: ZAM on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 06:35 PM GMT+5
    ---
    No, no. I didn't say anything about children being involved. It took place apparently at the school when no students were in class during the break.
    ---

    Okay, ignoring that there evidently were, what do you mean by the whole bit about children treated like criminals? It's not as though the police busted into the school and started cuffing people.

    I can see several instances of treating students like criminals that date back to my days in school, but what has that got to do with SRT?

    ---
    Hate the Intellectual Dishonesty, Love the Intellectually Dishonest--ZAM 15:12
    Peace Among Children and the Brattleboro Police Department
    Authored by: Linaelin on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 07:52 PM GMT+5
    Don't you feel that children should be protected from this sort of mock
    attack? You seem angry that someone would question the judgment of
    adults in including children in a violent game.
    And that is...The Word.
    Authored by: ZAM on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 11:29 PM GMT+5
    ---
    Don't you feel that children should be protected from this sort of mock
    attack? You seem angry that someone would question the judgment of
    adults in including children in a violent game.
    ---

    Come now, let's not play that game. I'm not angry at anything in this topic.

    I'm disappointed that we're involved in this little dance where I question the integrity of a statement because of the quality of the content, and become the supporter of everything antithetical to you.

    I didn't support the police "involving children."

    I even made this statement within the context of your assertion that no children were involved.

    Now, can we pretend, for a moment, that I disagreed with your statement for reasons other than anger?

    Okay.

    Now, why would I disagree with it? You said both that children were being treated like criminals, and that no children were actually involved. I asked where the criminal treatment in this situation was. Why? Because, without children present, I didn't see this as such treatment. I asked for explanation. If you don't want to explain, and continue on about my "anger," feel free. I just thought that you might actually address what I said, instead of inferring something totally different. This is iBratt, not the Colbert Report.

    ---
    Hate the Intellectual Dishonesty, Love the Intellectually Dishonest--ZAM 15:12
    Ve enforzen ze peace at ze end of ze barrel und ze tazer
    Authored by: Scott on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 03:53 PM GMT+5
    Das iz good! Ve must condition ze children to accept ze New Vorld Order polize state. It iz for ze good of all. Do not be conzerned and go becken to zleep.

    Kids Being Conditioned To Big Brother and Police State>
    http://www.infowars.com/articles/bb/camera_school_bathroom.htm
    Police State Targets, Tasers, Arrests and Jails Elementary School Children>
    http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/taser_6yrold.htm

    Out of Control Cops Stage School Safety in Full Riot Gear>
    http://infowars.com/articles/ps/schools_drill_upsets_parents.htm

    Photos of urban warfare drills, your local govt. militarized for the New World Order and to crack down on dissenters> http://www.infowars.com/ouwmar9901.html
    Another Hidden Camera in Boy's Bathroom at school

    http://www.infowars.com/articles/bb/camera_in_boys_bathroom.htm
    2006: The Year America Died
    http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/2006_year_america_died.htm

    Bush Given Authority To Sexually Torture American Children
    The "horror of the shrieking boys" gets a rubber stamp from the boot-licking U.S. Congress & Senate as America officially becomes a dictatorship>
    http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/terror_laws_bush_given_authority_sexually_torture_us_kids.htm

    Miami Cops Taser a Six Year Old (It also was Miami cops who got caught planting guns on people to frame them)>
    http://www.talkleft.com/story/2004/11/13/343/21466

    MIAMI — Police have acknowledged using a stun gun to immobilize a 12-year-old girl just weeks after an officer jolted a first-grader with 50,000 volts.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138488,00.html

    Taser on children OK, police say>
    http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/taser_on_children_ok.htm

    Autistic Teen Tasered and hit with baton By Police>
    http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/12/24/autistic-child-tasered-by-police/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.koin.com%2FGlobal%2Fstory.asp%3FS%3D5853766&frame=true


    10-Year Old Disciplined for Visiting 9/11 Website
    Courageous youth stands up to accusation of viewing 'terrorist' information

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/081106Disciplined.htm

    Boston Air Traffic Controller Says 9/11 An Inside Job
    Knew people in FAA on day of hijackings who said intercept procedures should have been enacted as normal
    http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/boston_air_traffic_controller_911_inside_job.htm

    Zilly kunzpirazy minded muckrakinerz. Ze Reichstag style eventz iz nezzizary from time to time to keepin de massiz mizdirekted and bamboozelden. Ifin zu don't go backen to zleep, and continuze wit ze muckrakinz, ve puttin zu in ze camp!
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=infowars+fema+camps&btnG=Search

    ---
    You can lead the sheeple to the truth but you can't make them think. The Answer to 1984 is 1776 infowars.com 911wasaninsidejob.com

    Ve enforzen ze peace at ze end of ze barrel und ze tazer
    Authored by: ZAM on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 06:31 PM GMT+5
    Ah yes. Responsible journalism. using a mock german accent and dodgy sources.

    ---
    Hate the Intellectual Dishonesty, Love the Intellectually Dishonest--ZAM 15:12
    Halt den Schnabel!
    Authored by: Timmy on Thursday, January 04 2007 @ 05:12 PM GMT+5
    Yeah the mock German is pretty offensive, I must say.
    Halt den Schnabel!
    Authored by: annikee on Thursday, January 04 2007 @ 09:28 PM GMT+5
    I hate the mock German but like the mock German message.
    Halt den Schnabel!
    Authored by: Timmy on Friday, January 05 2007 @ 11:28 AM GMT+5
    Not sure what you mean by that.
    ?
    Halt den Schnabel!
    Authored by: annikee on Friday, January 05 2007 @ 06:29 PM GMT+5
    Neither do I. It's kind of along the lines of Hate the Intellectual Dishonesty or Hate the Sin. the mock German is lousy, but the message is good.
    Haldeman, Erlichman, Shultz, Mueller, Bush
    Authored by: Scott on Friday, January 05 2007 @ 11:50 AM GMT+5
    I notice that anikee has the about the same opinion as me on this, and she sounds just like Alex Jones!

    "Are they instructing the children in doing this or turning this into a game? This is sick and twisted and there ought to be some stink made."

    -Allright annikee!

    My favorite radio show host Alex Jones of infowars.com gets upset at these kind of Gestapo style drills and police being militarized and he documents it in his videos like the Police State series which I linked to above. He also sometimes does the mock German/Gestapo voice. It helps people understand what were being led toward if we don't stand up now. If Germans don't like their language being forever mocked whenever such Nazi pig garbage occurs, then they shouldn't have been 'Hitler's Willing Executioners'. (There's a book by that title)

    Blame it also on the over-abundance of movies made on the Nazi era, some of which I enjoyed, along with the many spoofings by Disney, Spike Jones, Chaplin, the 3 Stooges and Mel Brooks. There aren't nearly as many movies pointing out the even bigger holocausts by commies like Stalin and Mao etc. but I spose that''s cuz they wouldn't be as intriguing/entertaining to watch.

    ---
    You can lead the sheeple to the truth but you can't make them think. The Answer to 1984 is 1776 infowars.com 911wasaninsidejob.com
    Screaming Children and the Brattleboro Police Department
    Authored by: Linaelin on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 04:19 PM GMT+5
    Actually there were "terrified" students involved in the school shooting exercise with the SWAT team. This is new. They were put there by the police to scream.
    Screaming Children and the Brattleboro Police Department
    Authored by: annikee on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 04:28 PM GMT+5
    Great. I'd just calmed down. So children WERE involved? What the %&*$ all over again!?
    Screaming Children and the Brattleboro Police Department
    Authored by: Linaelin on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 04:32 PM GMT+5
    25 students were involved to act out scenarios created by the police department such as disgruntled parent (I wonder who played that part), student on a rampage, student sniper. Also involved were high school staff, Brattleboro police cadets, the Brattleboro Fire Department, the Vermont National Guard and Merrill Gas Co.
    Screaming Children and the Brattleboro Police Department
    Authored by: mr.mike on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 09:19 PM GMT+5
    Wow. All this over a practice scenario for our local police trying to be prepared. I can't wait to see what happens when theres a practice meltdown at VY.
    Battleground BUHS 2007
    Authored by: Linaelin on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 09:27 PM GMT+5
    If the past behavior of the Brattleboro Police Department in the town are
    any indication of what we can expect in an incident of this kind, then you
    can guarantee a lot of innocent students will be seriously injured regardless
    of any one-off student mock-shooting training. What was the goal of this
    activity other than to train police cadets and officers in how to respond
    with force to a creation of their own imagination? The Brattleboro Police
    Department needs to learn to respect young people as human beings and
    not to suspect them as mad gun-toting killers. This whole thing smells of
    "bring it on".
    Battleground BUHS 2007
    Authored by: mr.mike on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 09:32 PM GMT+5
    I'll tell you what. If we ever have a columbine scenario here in brattleboro,God forbid. We'll invite you to negotiate with the killers and you can try to offset their "negative energy" with some nice bits of encouragement.
    Battleground BUHS 2007
    Authored by: Linaelin on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 09:40 PM GMT+5
    That's the same bs argument you get all the time from those who fear
    their own shadows. The police wanted to install surveillance cameras in
    harmony lot because they suspected local teens of - what else - being
    criminals. Then they got 34 surveillance cameras installed in BUHS
    because they suspected Brattleboro students of -- what else -- being
    criminals. The only thing Brattleboro youths are guilty of is being too
    clever for the adults. While the violence brought to you by Bush et al in
    Iraq escalates, a group of local youngsters stripped down in Harmony Lot.
    Battleground BUHS 2007
    Authored by: mr.mike on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 09:47 PM GMT+5
    I knew if gone long enough this topic would eventually blame Bush for the SRT drill at BUHS.
    Battleground BUHS 2007
    Authored by: Linaelin on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 09:49 PM GMT+5
    Yes, and in your eyes, all young people are terrorists.
    Now now
    Authored by: ZAM on Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 11:36 PM GMT+5
    ...It's only the liberals.

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    Hate the Intellectual Dishonesty, Love the Intellectually Dishonest--ZAM 15:12
    Battleground BUHS 2007
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Thursday, January 04 2007 @ 01:10 PM GMT+5
    Actually, I think Bush was being blamed for fear and stupidity.

    -Maus

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    Peace Among Children and the Brattleboro Police Department
    Authored by: cbridge on Thursday, January 04 2007 @ 07:21 AM GMT+5
    I gather, from reading these responses, that the drill took place at the
    High School. When I first read the post, it sounded like it might have
    happened at all the schools.
    I assume this is an extension of the emergency safety drills that were
    held at the elementary schools this fall. No police were involved in those.
    They were brief, orderly exercises in securing classrooms, reducing
    visibility into classrooms, insuring all children were quickly accounted for (a
    fair amount of to & froing goes on during the day), & finding relatively
    safe, out of sight spots for children to gather in each room. They were
    handled in a quiet, matter of fact way. The kids were fine, very calm.
    That wouldn't hold true of course if squads of flash grenading uniformed
    folks were simulating a screaming crisis.

    The assumption was not that children would be the source of any
    emergency, but that it would be a good idea to have routine procedures in
    place to minimize danger to the kids in the unlikely event of a dangerous
    intruder of any sort.

    Actually, I do hope the high school drill provokes a lot of protest. It might
    put a spoke in the school board's plan to ship the 5th & 6th graders off to
    the middle school, a truly bad idea.
    School Training
    Authored by: rperkins on Thursday, January 04 2007 @ 11:41 AM GMT+5
    I am not amazed that something meant to be a positive experience for the town, it's police, and it's youth has been twisted and turned on end into something so negative. Whether or not your in support of this type of training, it is essential simply because of the enviroment we currently live in.

    To address some of the conjecture and innaccuracies first made by the media. This training was not for the SRT, this training was for all officers of the police department. The SRT were the facilitators of this training. They were there to ensure the scenarios were accurate and echoed situations that have already occured in schools in the past. They were there to ensure training was conducted in a safe and efficient manner. They conducted briefings and debreifings to see what worked and did not work. This was not an SRT event.

    Although this training happened at BUHS, it could easily occur in an office setting such as C&S or the post office.

    The issue of students involved in the exercise. Students at BUHS voluntered to participate in the training and were utilized as role players to add stress to an already stressful situation. Also to determine real life problems the police never thought of occuring in such an incident. The students acted as STUDENTS. They did not recieve training on how assault a school, how to carry or shoot a firearm, or become snipers The scenarios were formulated on either a parent, student, or stranger entering the school with intent to hurt someone. The students signed permission forms which parents reviewed and signed prior to the event. Every form came back signed granting permission. If anyone on IBratt. has a chance to speak to any student that was present I think you'll find everyone of them came back with a positive expirence. Police worked with the students and the students worked with the police. Every questioned was answered and explained. Many jumped at the opportunity to participate, no student was forced to be involved.

    BUHS/BAMS/WRCC all practice lock down procedures together because something has to be in place in the event of an intruder entering the campus. It's a sad world we live in that this has to be the case, but it's the world we live in and there needs to be something in place to minimize the amount injury we have seen from past situations. School shootings are nothing new, go back to the 60's and the University of Texas, and they are not a problem just with in the US. Just yesterday Washington had a school shooting resulting in a fatality. Vermont is not immune to this violence, just ask those in the Burlington area.

    We can close our eyes and hope that this never happens here or we can be proactive and do something to minimize the amount of injuries that always come with such an event. Just as the communication on this post was innacurate and confusing, can you imagine what the communication between the town, the school, and parents will be like if this happens for real in our schools. Demanding the public be in an uproar and bickering over this issue helps no one. Everyone should be concerned and help think of solutions.



    Office Setting Training
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Thursday, January 04 2007 @ 01:24 PM GMT+5
    ***Although this training happened at BUHS, it could easily occur in an office setting such as C&S or the post office.***
    Perhaps it should have.

    -Maus


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    Office Setting Training
    Authored by: rperkins on Thursday, January 04 2007 @ 02:20 PM GMT+5
    Great, do you know of any large commercial space that can be vacated for the day where an actual incident might occur and they won't mind loosing any profit for a days work? Any suggestions? Really, any suggestions?
    Office Setting Training
    Authored by: annikee on Thursday, January 04 2007 @ 02:25 PM GMT+5
    The Post Office or the County Courthouse on Sundays come to mind immediately. The unoccupied former Northeast Coop building also.
    Must have changed your mind
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Thursday, January 04 2007 @ 04:22 PM GMT+5
    Listen, you don't need to get snappy with me, you're the one who said it could "easily" happen at one of those other places. If it couldn't "easily" happen at one of those places you shouldn't have said so.

    -Maus

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    Nope, I didn't
    Authored by: rperkins on Friday, January 05 2007 @ 09:03 AM GMT+5
    I wasn't being "snappy". Since this format of communicating is reading words on a screen, it's difficult to for the reader to know what tone, if any, the person submitting a post is conveying. I was asking for real suggestions (with no snappy tone). Sometimes you can read into the text and pull the author's attitude from it, that was not the case here.

    Nope, I didn't
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Friday, January 05 2007 @ 11:38 AM GMT+5
    Then I misunderstood.
    As far as suggestions, I really don't see anything wrong with using the school for training - in fact, I think it's a good idea for police officers to be familiar with the interior of the school - firefighters, too.
    What seems inapropriate is using children as "extras" to add realism to what is, essentially, para-military training. And I think that's what people here seem to object to. Was it necessary?

    I wonder if the selectboard and school board approved this?

    -Maus

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    School Training
    Authored by: cgrotke on Thursday, January 04 2007 @ 02:37 PM GMT+5
    reperkins is correct that these are pretty standard training exercises
    that, if we have emergency responders at all, we would probably want
    them to do some role playing and get this training. It's always better
    to be able to go through emergency situations as best one can
    simulate before they occur, so some of the confusion can be
    minimized. It one of the reasons so many people want better
    evacuation plans and drills in the event that VY has problems.

    No simulation or training is a substitute for the real thing. And some
    situations can't be anticipated (or dealt with - ie, there is no reason to
    have a practice drill for a nuclear bomb being dropped on our town -
    all plans would be ended instantly.)

    This is all in a practical, day to day, "we live in a dangerous world"
    frame of mind. I think the original piece was a bit more philosophical
    than that - stepping back and asking "what kind of society are we if
    we are preparing and expecting these sorts of things?" And "what are
    we telling our children by doing these things?"

    We could make it more abstract to make the point: let's say we had a
    town-wide simulation of an invasion from Hinsdale. It could happen
    and we want to be prepared, right? What are we saying to Hinsdale?
    Should they ignore us? Should they say "hey, we didn't do anything,
    why does Brattleboro think we're so bad?" Would it affect the way
    they perceive themselves, and/or us?
    On practical stuff...
    Authored by: darqmatr on Thursday, January 04 2007 @ 03:41 PM GMT+5
    I think the police/fire department are the best trained to handle most general emergencies (except for VY-- which has its own people.) That said, it seems that having a few "rallying" locations around town where people could go to obtain more information and preparation for the event is needed.

    We know if everyone just jumps in their car and heads to Putney, it'll be a mess. And likewise, there aren't enough emergency personnel to go door-to-door to explain the situation or hand-hold people out of the way. But if a few rallying zones (perhaps one could be the Rivergarden) were in place, and if people know which one was closest, then emergency personnel could be on hand to organize and go from there...

    This is the same thing VY does, but they do it on their own property.
    Yavul Officer Perkins of ze Brattleboro Polizen Department!
    Authored by: Scott on Thursday, January 04 2007 @ 04:18 PM GMT+5
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=brattleboro+police+perkins&btnG=Search

    "Many jumped at the opportunity to participate, no student was forced to be involved."

    -Yavul! Just likenz ze brownshirten kinder ov ze good olden days in ze olden country!

    "Everyone should be concerned and help think of solutions."

    -Ve had vat ve called ze 'Final Solution'- Those who dizzent ve simply had sent to ze camps along wiz ze uzur undezirables.

    "School shootings are nothing new, go back to the 60's and the University of Texas,"

    -und don't forget ze Kent State, ze Orangeburg massacre, ze Berkeley etc., all good polize state practice runz.

    "bickering over this issue helps no one."

    -Das iz right detective rperkins, ze volk needs to accept ze police state controls for ze good of all. Give upin ze rights and do as the god-men with the black ski masks, camo und guns zay to do! Don't go vatchin ze anti-polize state propengandinz like zis>>

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-448659287463550973
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=googlevideo+police+state+ii&btnG=Search

    The UT Tower Shooting: Ray Martinez:
    Alex is joined in-studio by Ray Martinez the hero of the 1966 University of Texas Tower Shooting who shot Whittman, the tower sniper. This was one of the most infamous mass murder cases in US crime history and Martinez excellently elucidates his role in stopping the carnage on that day 40 years ago.
    http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/august2006/110806martinez.htm

    Questions Linger for Columbine Parents
    LITTLETON, Colo. — For nearly five years, unsettling details have trickled out from dusty file cabinets and evidence vaults about just how much authorities and others knew before Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold slaughtered 12 classmates and a teacher at Columbine High School.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,117582,00.html
    Canadian shootings linked to website, videogames
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/15/canadian_shooting/
    -Gill apparently cited Super Columbine Massacre as his favourite videogame. In the downloadable game players are cast in the role of Eric Harris or Dylan Klebold, who killed 12 of their fellow students and one teacher in 1999.
    Prosecutors Seek Columbine Inquest Was Slain Student Shot By A Police Officer?
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/15/national/main324395.shtml
    Columbine "coverup"
    Victim's lawyer charges sheriff's department with hiding details of high school massacre.
    http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2000/04/21/columbine/print.html
    Pay no minden dat ze Brattleboro polize like Detective Robert Perkins work handenz ze hand with ze local FEMA offizials und zat your loving federal government and that FEMA has ze camps built and waitinz for you>
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=fema+camps&btnG=Search
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=infowars+fema+camps&btnG=Search

    TerrorStrorm in higher quality-http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230

    Martial Law-
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3218155323039993638

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    You can lead the sheeple to the truth but you can't make them think. The Answer to 1984 is 1776 infowars.com 911wasaninsidejob.com

    rassistisch
    Authored by: Timmy on Thursday, January 04 2007 @ 05:33 PM GMT+5
    Again with the mock german...
    rassistisch
    Authored by: Scott on Thursday, January 04 2007 @ 06:01 PM GMT+5
    It's easier for me than mock Russian or Chinese etc. Whether Soviet communism or socialist fascism as with the Nazis, totalitarianism is the result of letting your government get out of control. It starts with the excuses like we need to do these drills and make laws and tighter controls for the good of all.

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    You can lead the sheeple to the truth but you can't make them think. The Answer to 1984 is 1776 infowars.com 911wasaninsidejob.com
    rassistisch
    Authored by: Linaelin on Thursday, January 04 2007 @ 08:42 PM GMT+5
    <<You can lead the sheeple to the truth but you can't make them
    think.>>

    That's nonsense. The People have crushed the Republicans. It's the elitist
    rich that are the sheeple that cannot think. Wake up, Scott. You're out of
    step and way behind the beat.
    Reichstag
    Authored by: Scott on Friday, January 05 2007 @ 12:06 PM GMT+5
    You got it all backasswards. It's the rich elitist Illuminati that do all the thinking (scheming) and the sheeple let them. The bleat goes on.

    "The People have crushed the Republicans."

    -And when enough sheeple get tired of the left part of the paradigm, they'll 'elect' the 'right' ones back. It goes back and forth and they can't pull the wool off their eyes and see how they're so manipulated. You're stuck in the quicksand of the Left Right paradigm/Matrix and I'm just trying to throw you a rope-

    'Caught in the Crossfire: The False Left-Right Paradigm and the Deception of the American People'>

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_newsom_122302_leftright.html

    http://politics.abovetopsecret.com/thread189704/pg1

    copy/pasted from the above site>

    Wake up people. The left and right are controlled by the same people. A dictatorship rules America. They have created the left-right paradigm to con us, and split us into different camps, so we can fight and squabble while they gain more and more power. It is used to divide and rule us!

    The left and right are controlled, meant to give us the illusion of choice. It is 2 sides of the same coin; 2 wings on the same bird. Both parties answer to the same masters. Thats why no matter who we ''elect'' into office, the same things happen. No matter if it was George Bush, or John Kerry, the results would be the same.

    In fact, to prove that both parties are controlled and meant to give us the illusion of choice, here is something interesting for you. George Bush and John Kerry were both presidential candidates in the last ''election''. Both were for the war. Both were members of an elite secret society known as Skull and Bones. Both were initiated into the Skull and Bones, in the same year, 1968. Both went to Yale University, and, this is the big one, they are both distant cousins! Un-fricken-believable. Out of 280,000,000 people, of all sorts of different varieties, the 2 presidential candidates are both members of the same secret society (which has only 800 living members at one time); both went to the same University, Yale; and are cousins! But since has more royal genes than Kerry, he won the ''election''. Presidents arent ELECTED by ballot, they are SELECTED by blood. Bush/Kerry are skull and bones, and are cousins.

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    You can lead the sheeple to the truth but you can't make them think. The Answer to 1984 is 1776 infowars.com 911wasaninsidejob.com

    rassistisch
    Authored by: annikee on Thursday, January 04 2007 @ 09:37 PM GMT+5
    Maybe that's what started my whole deal- the assinine "duck and cover" crap they put us through in elementary school. It made us scared and violent every time right after those drills. I'm afraid it's worse for these older children, having been through all the violent video games, real world horrors and bullying in the schools. It's an even more violent world; we don't need to put children through the motions. We should encourage them to detest it, not enact it.
    rassistisch
    Authored by: mr.mike on Thursday, January 04 2007 @ 10:26 PM GMT+5
    I think one of the reasons why kids are so violent today,other than video games is, because they seem to have a lack of respect for authority. I mean I see kids today acting out and using language that I never dreamed of using at their age and this around adults. How many times have you seen kids being disrespectful to their own parents? And we think they're going to respect others. Now this is not their fault totally it fals on the parents as well. But society is seeing the results of this.
    rassistisch
    Authored by: Linaelin on Thursday, January 04 2007 @ 10:32 PM GMT+5
    They have violent video games in Sweden, Japan, and Canada too but
    there is not the level of violence that there is in the US.
    rassistisch
    Authored by: annikee on Thursday, January 04 2007 @ 10:58 PM GMT+5
    Adults don't respect each other, mr.mike. Check our own behavior right here on iBratt. Why should we expect better from our children? Check adult behavior at the Wallyworlds this holiday season. They just model what we do. And what we encourage. Ever laugh at a kid insulting an adult? Ever laugh at someone getting physically hurt on America's Funniest Home Videos? We don't correct kids anymore, we reenforce antisocial behaviors.
    Duck and Cover
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Friday, January 05 2007 @ 12:01 PM GMT+5
    Being a warped kid, I always thought it would be kind of fun to live in the school fallout shelter and tear into those big tins full of awful crackers...
    Having seen footage of the devastation in Japan, I always thought the idea of getting under our school desks to survive a nuclear explosion was hilarious. I remember in middle school, we had a project in which we were supposed to design a home fallout shelter. Me and my partner, another pre-teen wise-arse, designed a basement fallout shelter constructed with walls of school desks to take advantage of their magical powers of protection against nuclear blasts.
    The school civil defense guy was not as amused as we were.

    -Maus


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    rassistisch
    Authored by: Timmy on Friday, January 05 2007 @ 11:27 AM GMT+5
    You miss my point: All Germans are not Nazis, just as all Russians are
    not Communists... I'm talking about a racist portrayal here.
    hardertoreadbalishisch
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