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    Brattleboro Town Meeting: Open Thread    
    Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 06:00 AM GMT+5
    Contributed by: Lise

    Town NewsThe live blogging of the Brattleboro Representative Town Meeting is now open. If you have something to say about today's Town Meeting, feel free to comment below. This is your spot for ongoing analysis and commentary, updates and whatnot.

    You have various options if you want to view today's meeting. You can go to the Brattleboro Union High School and take a seat in the bleachers in the gymnasium for a live, in-person perspective. Or you can tune in BCTV's live coverage on Channel 8 all day. Likewise, you can check in with iBrattleboro throughout the day for comments and updates from whoever happens to be around.

    If you're interested in keeping score, the following is a list of the 32 articles on the agenda for this year's Town Meeting.

    Warning – Annual Town & Town School District Meeting

    ANNUAL TOWN AND TOWN SCHOOL DISTRICT MEETING

    March 6, 2007

    The legal voters of the Town of Brattleboro and the Town School District of Brattleboro, are hereby notified and warned to meet at the polling places designated for the three districts in said Brattleboro, on Tuesday, the sixth of March, 2007, to act on the following articles:

    ARTICLE 1 : To choose all Town officers, Town School District members and Brattleboro Union High School District directors required by law to be elected at the annual meeting. Also to be elected under this Article are Town Meeting members from the following districts: District #1: 15 members for three year terms and 1 member for a one year term; District #2: 14 members for three year terms, 3 members for 2 year terms, and 4 members for one year terms; District #3: 14 members for three year terms. Voting on this article is to be done by Australian ballot. For the above purposes, the polls will open at 9:00am and close at 7:00pm. The polling place will be as follows:

    District #1 Brattleboro Union High School District #2 Gymnasium

    District #3 Fairground Road

    ANNUAL REPRESENTATIVE TOWN MEETING

    March 24, 2007

    The legal voters qualified to vote in Representative Town Meeting are hereby notified and warned to meet in the gymnasium of the Brattleboro Senior High School on Saturday, the twenty-fourth day of March, 2007, at 8:30am, to act on the following Articles:

    ARTICLE 1 : To see what salaries the Town School District will pay its school board members.

    ARTICLE 2: To see if the Town School District will authorize its Town School Directors to borrow money in anticipation of taxes.

    ARTICLE 3 : To see if the Town School District will authorize the District to accept and expend categorical grants and aid received from the State of Vermont and the United States Government.

    ARTICLE 4 To see if the Town School District will authorize the following capital improvements: The purchase of a telephone system for Academy School ($15,000); the replacement of hallway and classroom flooring and sub-floor at Academy School ($142,000); and the replacement and repair of the roofs at Academy, Esteyville, Oak Grove, and Canal Street Schools and the Powers House ($85,000), at an estimated cost not to exceed $242,000.00, and will authorize the issuance of notes in the aggregate principal amount of $242,000.00, at a rate of interest not to exceed 5% per annum and for a term not to exceed five (5) years, in order to pay to that extent the cost of said public capital improvements.

    ARTICLE 5: To see how much money the Town School District will raise and appropriate to defray its expenses and liabilities.

    ARTICLE 6 : To act on the Auditor’s report.

    ARTICLE 7: To elect three trustees for the Brooks Memorial Library to serve three years (one trustee for consideration is Carol Greenberg, and the two remaining members will be announced at the meeting).

    ARTICLE 8 : To elect two representatives to the Capital Grant Review Board for a term of one year from March 26, 2007. (One member for consideration is Richard Manson; the other is to be nominated from the floor.)

    ARTICLE 9 : To see if the Town and Town School District will authorize its Selectboard and School Directors to employ a certified public accountant or public accountants.

    ARTICLE 10 : To see if the Town will ratify, approve and confirm the Selectboard’s appointment of a Town Clerk and Town School District Clerk for a term of one year.

    ARTICLE 11 : To see if the Town will ratify, approve and confirm the Selectboard’s appointment of a Town and Town School District Treasurer for a term of one year.

    ARTICLE 12 : To see if the Town will ratify, approve and confirm the Selectboard’s appointment of a Town Attorney for a term of one year.

    ARTICLE 13 : To see what salaries the Town will pay its officers for the year 2007-2008.

    ARTICLE 14 : To see how much money the Town will raise, appropriate and expend to defray its expenses and liabilities.

    ARTICLE 15 : To see if the Town will authorize its Selectboard to borrow money on its notes in anticipation of taxes and grants.

    ARTICLE 16 : To see if the Town will raise and appropriate a sum not to exceed $7,500 to assist in funding Brattleboro’s Cities for Climate Protection campaign for Fiscal Year 2008 (July 1, 2007 – June 30, 2008).

    ARTICLE 17 : To see if the Town will raise and appropriate the sum of $1,350 to support the work of the West River Watershed Alliance, a non profit organization composed principally of volunteers, in its efforts to ensure clean and healthy water through water quality monitoring in the West River and its tributaries.

    ARTICLE 18 : To see if the Town will raise and appropriate the sum of $2,000 to assist in funding the Windham County Humane Society, a non profit organization, in helping to defray the costs of caring for homeless, unwanted, abused and neglected animals.

    ARTICLE 19 : To see if the Town will appropriate the sum of $92,761 from the Representative Reserve Fund to offset expenses in the Fiscal Year 2008 General Fund budget.

    ARTICLE 20 : To see if the Town will vote to raise and appropriate a sum of money approved by the Selectboard as the downtown organization’s appropriation through special assessments on properties within the Downtown Improvement District (as approved by Town Meeting March 19, 2005 and as delineated in the town Ordinance entitled “Municipal Act to Establish and Regulate the Downtown Improvement District”) to be used for capital and operating costs of projects of the Town’s duly designated downtown organization.

    ARTICLE 21 : To see if the Town will raise and appropriate the sum of $82,110 to support human service programs and facilities to be allocated to the providing services to the residents of Brattleboro to be allocated in the following manner: AIDS Project of Southern Vermont - $1,900; ALANA Community Organization - $3,515; Boys & Girls Club of Brattleboro – $9,025; Brattleboro Area Drop-in Center - $3,500; Brattleboro Area Hospice - $2,090; Brattleboro Housing Authority/Summer Food Program - $3,800; Brattleboro Pastoral Counseling Center - $1,000; .Brattleboro Senior Meals - $5,700; Clark/Canal Community Organization - $4,275; Council on Aging for Southeastern VT, Inc. - $3,325; The Gathering Place - $2,850; Green Mountain RSVP - $1,000; Health Care & Rehabilitation

    Services/Community Walk-in Clinic - $8,075; KidsPLAYce - $3,000; Maple Leaf Farm - $835; Morningside Emergency Shelter - $1,275; PACT - $3,325; Phoenix House - $2,850; Prevent Child Abuse VT - $750; Southeastern Vermont Community Action - $2,375; VT Assn. for Blind, & Visually Impaired - $680; VT Center for Independent Living - $1,290; Windham Child Care - $2,850;Windham County Reads - $1,425; Youth Services - $11,400.

    ARTICLE 22: To see if the Town will raise and appropriate $5,000 to Southeastern Vermont Community Action (SEVCA) to assist Brattleboro in responding to the emergency needs of the community and providing all available and applicable services.

    ARTICLE 23: To see if the Town will authorize the sale of the 15+/- acre “Boyd Wood Lot” owned by the TOB on Halladay Brook Road.

    ARTICLE 24 : To see if the Town will authorize a change in the basis for valuing business personal property from the present system of using depreciation schedules and a 10% residual or salvage value to the fair market value method, with an exemption of the first $2,500 of value of the personal property.

    ARTICLE 25 : To see if the Town shall apply to the taxpayers’ property tax installments pro rata amounts allocated to current year property taxes under the State of Vermont’s Homestead Property Tax Income Sensitivity Program, in accordance with 32 V.S.A. § 6066a(f)(1).

    ARTICLE 26 : To see if the Town will create a special assessment district, to be known as the “Mountain Home Park Special Benefit Assessment Tax District” pursuant to Article VI, Section 3(b) of the Brattleboro Town Charter and Chapter 87 of Title 24, Vermont Statutes Annotated, for the purpose of financing the capital costs of replacing water and sewer lines and renovating the associated pump station at the Mountain Home and Deepwood Mobile Home Parks, and to apportion the special assessment based on the grand list value of real properties within the designated “Mountain Home Park Special Benefit Assessment Tax District.”

    ARTICLE 27 : To see if the Town of Brattleboro will authorize the following capital improvement: the construction of a replacement sewer system and appurtenances necessary to connect two hundred seventy six (276) mobile homes in Mountain Home Park to the Town’s public sewage disposal system. The Town of Brattleboro intends to borrow the funds necessary for the above capital improvements through the Vermont Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Pollution Control State Revolving Loan Fund (Title 24, Chapter 120), as administered by the Vermont Agency of Natural Resources, and said loan being subject to and secured by an "Agreement for Joint Development, Easements and Construction Management for Water and Sewer Line Project" among The Housing Foundation, Inc., Tri-Park Cooperative Housing Corporation, and the Town of Brattleboro. The estimated cost of said capital improvements is $3,523,419. The bonds to be authorized shall be in the aggregate principal amount not to exceed $3,523,419 bearing interest at not to exceed five (5%) percent per annum, and payable over a term not to exceed twenty (20) years. SAID BONDS SHALL BE PAID EXCLUSIVELY FROM REVENUES RAISED

    WITHIN THE MOUNTAIN HOME PARK SPECIAL

    BENEFIT ASSESSMENT DISTRICT.

    The vote on the foregoing proposition shall be by Australian ballot as required by law. The Article to be voted upon will be as follows:

    "Shall bonds of the Town of Brattleboro in an amount not to exceed $3,523,419 bearing interest at a rate not to exceed 5%, and payable over a term not to exceed twenty (20) years, payable exclusively from revenue within the Mountain Home Park Special Benefit Assessment District, be issued for the purpose of constructing collection and transmission mains and appurtenances necessary to connect the Mountain Home Park to the Town’s public sewage treatment system?”

    If in favor of this bond issue,

    make a cross (x) in this square: Yes

    If opposed to this bond issue,

    make a cross (x) in this square: No

    ARTICLE 28 : To see if the Town of Brattleboro will authorize the following capital improvement: the construction of water mains and appurtenances necessary to connect two hundred seventy six (276) mobile homes in Mountain Home Park to the Town’s public drinking water supply system and necessary improvements to existing pump stations. The Town of Brattleboro intends to borrow the funds necessary for the above capital improvements through the Vermont Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Drinking Water State Revolving Loan Fund (Title 24, Chapter 120), as administered by the Vermont Agency of Natural Resources, said loan being subject to and secured by an "Agreement for Joint Development, Easements and Construction Management for Water and Sewer Line Project" among The Housing Foundation, Inc., Tri-Park Cooperative Housing Corporation, and the Town of Brattleboro. The estimated cost of said capital improvements is $4,203,893. The bonds to be authorized shall be in the aggregate principal amount not to exceed $4,203,893 bearing interest at a rate of not to exceed five (5%) percent per annum, and payable over a term not to exceed twenty (20) years. SAID BONDS SHALL BE PAID EXCLUSIVELY FROM REVENUES RAISED WITHIN THE MOUNTAIN HOME PARK SPECIAL

    BENEFIT ASSESSMENT TAX DISTRICT.

    The vote on the foregoing proposition shall be by Australian ballot as required by law. The Article to be voted upon will be as follows:

    "Shall bonds of the Town of Brattleboro in an amount not to exceed $4,203,893, bearing interest at a rate not to exceed 5%, payable exclusively from revenue within the Mountain Home Park Special Benefit Assessment District, be issued for the purpose of constructing water mains and

    appurtenances necessary to connect the Mountain Home Park to the Town’s public drinking water supply system?”

    If in favor of this bond issue,

    make a cross (x) in this square: Yes

    If opposed to this bond issue,

    make a cross (x) in this square: No

    ARTICLE 29 : To see if the Town will authorize the following Capital Improvement. The purchase of one Fire Engine (pumper) for the Fire Department, at an estimated cost not to exceed $320,000, and will authorize the issuance of bonds or notes in the aggregate principal amount of $320,000, at a rate of interest not to exceed five percentum (5%) per annum and for a term not to exceed ten (10) years, in order to pay to that extent the cost of said public improvement. The vote on the foregoing article will be by Australian ballot as required by law. The question to be voted upon will be as follows:

    “Shall bonds or notes of the Town of Brattleboro, in the amount not to exceed $320,000 bearing interest at a rate not to exceed 5%, for a term not to exceed ten years, be issued for the purpose of purchasing one Fire Engine (pumper) for the Fire Department?” If in favor of this bond issue,

    make a cross (x) in this square: Yes

    If opposed to this bond issue,

    make a cross (x) in this square: No

    ARTICLE 30 : To see if the Town will authorize the following Capital Improvement. The replacement of one fuel tank at the Municipal Center, at an estimated cost not to exceed $35,000, and will authorize the issuance of bonds or notes in the aggregate principal amount of $35,000, at a rate of interest not to exceed five percentum (5%) per annum and for a term not to exceed ten (10) years, in order to pay to that extent the cost of said public improvement. The vote on the foregoing article will be by Australian ballot as required by law. The question to be voted upon will be as follows:

    “Shall bonds or notes of the Town of Brattleboro, in the amount not to exceed $35,000 bearing interest at a rate not to exceed 5%, for a term not to exceed ten years, be issued for the purpose of replacing one fuel tank at the Municipal Center?”

    If in favor of this bond issue,

    make a cross (x) in this square: Yes

    If opposed to this bond issue,

    make a cross (x) in this square: No

    ARTICLE 31 : To see if the Town will authorize the following Capital Improvement. The repair of the cornice at the Gibson Aiken Center, at an estimated cost not to exceed $175,000, and will authorize the issuance of bonds or notes in the aggregate principal amount of $175,000, at a rate of interest not to exceed five percentum (5%) per annum and for a term not to exceed ten (10) years, in order to pay to that extent the cost of said public improvement. The vote on the foregoing article will be by Australian ballot as required by law. The question to be voted upon will be as follows:

    “Shall bonds or notes of the Town of Brattleboro, in the amount not to exceed $175,000 bearing interest at a rate not to exceed 5%, for a term not to exceed ten years, be issued for the purpose of repairing the cornice at the Gibson Aiken Center?”

    If in favor of this bond issue,

    make a cross (x) in this square: Yes

    If opposed to this bond issue,

    make a cross (x) in this square: No

    ARTICLE 32 : To transact any other business that may lawfully come before the meeting.

    Brattleboro Selectboard Brattleboro Town School Directors Stephen Steidle, Chair Russell Janis, Chair Richard DeGray, Vice Chair Margaret Atkinson, Vice Chair Greg Worden Lorie Cartwright

    Audrey Garfield Shela Linton

    Kevin Yager, Clerk Jacqueline Fellows, Clerk
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    Brattleboro Town Meeting: Open Thread
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 06:52 AM GMT+5
    And they're off. Moderator Timothy O'Connor has read the ground rules.
    Emilie Thomas, town treasurer, moved that certain items be addressed
    before the polls close at 10am. But for some reason that was out of
    order, so O'Connor asked that we pretend that didn't happen, and
    instead, Audrey Garfield moved that various town staff be allowed to
    remain in the reserved area. This motion passed. "Electronic media" was
    also allowed to remain. Then Ms. Thomas moved again that articles
    26-31 be moved up for discussion, and that 29-31 be considered before
    9:30 AM. This motion passed too.
    Article 29 Bond Issue for New Fire Pumper
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 07:06 AM GMT+5
    Fire Chief Emery said we really need a new pumper, and if we don't
    buy a new one, we're going to be down a piece of equipment.

    Bob Fagelson want to know the resale value. Emery said it might be
    suitable as a lawn planter.....

    Pat DeAngelo couldn't believe it wasn't worth anything. But Emery
    said the body of the truck was pretty worthless.

    Someone asked why only a 10 year bond, not 20 year, to spread
    payments out for a longer period. Leisenring said that the useful life
    was about 20 years, and they didn't want to run the bond out for the
    entire term of use.

    Pat asked if the truck could wait a year. Emery said the truck was
    leaky now and would fail before the end of the year. Both he and Dick
    DeGray said that payments wouldn't likely begin until the end of this
    year anyway, so it doesn't really matter. This is a small bond,
    Leisenring said.
    Article 30 - Replace Fuel Tank
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 07:24 AM GMT+5
    Town rep named George asked why they were doing a bond for a
    small item like this $35k fuel tank. He said he wanted to vote no and
    "make the town find the money."

    Dick DeGray said that the Selectboard made a decision to capitalize
    all expenses over $10k. "All expenses over $10k are now in the
    capital plan," he said.

    What if we don't give you this bond issue, the rep asked. Sondag said
    that based on the town's debt service schedule, we determine what to
    bond for and what to pay cash for. In this case, she said, it made
    sense for them to bond for it. Her querant said that he bet that if the
    tank failed tomorrow, it would be replaced, whether they approved
    this bond issue or not.

    Rep Kathy Urffer said that if the tank failed, it would cost a lot more
    in environmental cleanup costs than just the $35k to replace it before
    it fails.

    Rep Hilary Cook said that he thought there should be a handout so
    that people could understand the debt payments schedule and capital
    plan and Barb Sondag agreed that they should give that out in future.
    Article 31 - Cornice Repair on Gibson Aikens
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 07:38 AM GMT+5
    It is asked -- is this for the whole cornice or just a patch? Carol of
    Parks Department said that it was the whole thing.

    Kurt Daims says he thinks we shouldn't pay for this because we're
    short of money.

    Jim Maxwell said that the personality of downtown is in its historic
    buildings and he thinks it's very important to keep it in shape.

    Someone else asked if this was a safety issue and Carol said yes, that
    a big chunk of cornice had fallen onto the sidewalk and it could
    happen again.

    Pat says that she's going to vote no, despite Maxwell's statements. "I
    don't think we can afford it."

    Another citizen agreed with her, saying that they should just "chop off
    the cornice" and replace it with concrete -- event though it might look
    "cheap."

    Donna Borofsky asked if the state would help with this -- I didn't hear
    the answer.

    A bunch of people speak to the issue of cost -- this seems awfully
    expensive, they are saying.

    Dick DeGray says that it isn't going to get any cheaper in the future,
    and there is still a safety issue. We should not be penny wise and
    pound foolish.

    The Moderator reminds people of the time and they move on.
    Articles 26, 27, 28 - TriPark Water and Sewers
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 07:44 AM GMT+5
    Sandy Shriver speaks as an attorney for the TriPark. 6% of Brattleboro
    residents are housed at TriPark. Without the water and sewer project,
    the housing could be lost. Catastrophic results of a failure of their water
    and sewer system. The Park gets better deals on funding if the town
    works with them.

    Vote on Art. 26, the special tax district -- Approved.

    Article 1, 2, 3, 4 - School Matters
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 08:20 AM GMT+5
    1. $2,000 for directors and $3,000 for the chair.

    Approved.

    2. Authorization to borrow in anticipation of taxes.

    Approved.

    3. Ability to accept "categorical" aid and grants from state and federal
    gov't

    Approved.

    4. Borrowing of $242,000 to make physical plant improvements,
    including Academy School phone system, floor repair and roof repair
    at Academy School and two other schools.

    Ms. Atkinson asked that people support the article, that the buildings
    needed repair and maintenance.

    Fric Spruyt said that he had toured Academy School and it definitely
    needed repair. Mold, he said, leaks, and drainage, among other
    things.

    Peter Cooper asked if the new phone system would be helpful if there
    were a weather or radiological emergency. Mr. Kane said that having
    classroom phone access would be very useful if they needed to put the
    school under "lockdown." The respondent also said that they have two
    "Lockdown" Drills each year.

    More discussion, but generally supportive in tone.

    Approved.

    Ten minute recess! until 10:30 when they will take up article 5.
    Article 5 - School District Funding
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 09:16 AM GMT+5
    Total school budget is $13,079,410, a 6+% increase.

    Most of the increases, it was explained, are salaries and
    compensation. Cuts were made -- over $700,000 from the first
    budget that was considered.

    Tax impact, is $1.57, or a $0.15 increase in the rate.

    The School rep said that the cuts were significant, but that further cuts
    could not be made, in the Board's opinion, without lowering the
    quality of education. He noted that Vermont rates high nationally in
    education.

    Ms. Dawson of District 2 said that there were ways to "streamline
    processes" to create greater efficiency and lower costs. She wants to
    know if the Town School Districts are doing this. She said that her
    taxes are going to go up 8% next year, and that she wants to know
    how they figured the tax increase predictions, since hers are going up
    more than they said they would.

    Carl Fowler tried to speak on the issue, but Bob Fagelson raised a
    point of order, saying that Carl Fowler was not a rep and therefore
    shouldn't be allowed to speak. Carl said that if it was Fagelson's
    intention to silence him, he would be silenced. O'Connor said that he
    should be outside the rope... Fowler moved and continued.

    Fowler than said that he supported the School budget but wanted to
    raise other points. He said that they cut 11 paraprofessionals, for
    instance, but they still have 50 paraprofessionals for a total of 40
    classrooms, better than one to one ratio. And yet the cost of
    paraprofessional salaries went up $40k.

    He also said that in real terms, the tax rate increase is actually close
    to "just shy of 10%."

    Pat DeAngelo said that as far as she could tell, the schools were
    broken, that they weren't producing better educated kids, and that in
    fact the costs of special ed go up every year. She said she's voting
    against the school budget this year.

    School board guy said that they are sensitive to the tax issues, and
    wish there was a better system, but this is what they have.

    School budget approved.
    Articles 6 - 13
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 09:30 AM GMT+5
    Article 6 - approved

    Article 7 - approved

    Article 8 - approved after amendment - John Schaefer and Andrew
    Rome will be new members of the Capital Grants Review Board

    Article 9 - to hire a CPA - approved

    Article 10 - to renew Annette Cappy as Town Clerk - approved

    Article 11 - to renew Emilie Thomas as Town and School District
    Treasurer - approved

    Article 12 - to renew Bob Fisher as Town Attorney - approved

    Article 13 - salaries of Selectboard to be $2000 with $3000 for the
    chair

    Fric moved that the salaries be raised by $1000 across the board --
    the motion was defeated by a tidy margin. The original motion was
    adopted.
    Article 14 - Town Budget
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 09:58 AM GMT+5
    The total town budget for July 1 2007 to June 30 2008 is:

    $12, 273, 372

    Barb Sondag talked about it. She said that this new budget is cleaned
    up a lot from last year's. A lot of things are in capital expenditures
    now, rather than line items expenses. Things like the new loader and
    the paving expense will no longer be in the Public Works operating
    budget.

    She said that they looked at cuts with the understanding that people
    in this town need to be able to afford to live here.

    What we have before you today is a very tight budget, Barb said.
    With a budget this tight, you have to monitor and adjust frequently
    throughout the year.

    Spoon Agave explained how the finance committee operated. He said
    that their main goal was to keep the total budget number as low as
    possible. He listed the Finance Committee's recommendations which
    he requested be acted on by the Town Meeting reps one at a time.
    But he said that the group could choose to address the
    recommendations as a package. There are six recommendations.

    Steve Steidle said that these recommendations should be considered
    under Other Business at the end of the meeting. The Moderator
    agreed and ruled them out of order.

    Ms. Stark said that she had sticky notes all over this budget. She had
    questions about Solid Waste contracts and the County tax, which were
    answered.

    A rep asked if long-term debt was increasing. Barb said that it is a
    rolling feature -- as one debt is paid off, a new one is added.

    Article 14 is finally approved by a slightly smaller margin than some
    other votes...

    Mr. Moderator says we'll take up Article 15 and then recess for lunch
    (thank goodness!)
    Article 15 - Town Borrowing
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 10:00 AM GMT+5
    Approved -- the town can borrow in anticipation of taxes.

    Lunch recess begins --meeting to resume at 1:15 pm.

    Mr. Moderator says: try to be prompt!
    A Word About The Time
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 10:11 AM GMT+5
    I've been informed by an alert reader that our server time is off by an
    hour. Thank you alert reader!

    Unfortunately, our server is non-conforming to the new Bush
    Daylight Savings Time, and refuses to update. We
    talked to our server people about it, and they didn't fix it. We should
    probably try again, but for now, please be advised that it is an hour
    later than my posts indicate on this here blog.

    Also, feel free to chime in if you're out there! While I have my
    knitting to amuse me and the ongoing drone of the meeting, it
    wouldn't be bad to have some company.

    Meanwhile, it's kind of fun to see who will say what to whom, and
    what sort of procedural issues will come up... Oh yeah, this is
    definitely the way to spend a Saturday!
    A Word About The Time
    Authored by: Tad Montgomery on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 10:49 AM GMT+5
    Thanks for doing this, Lise. Give Chris a high-five for me.

    I'm sorry the meeting didn't address the finance committee issues in the
    morning part of the meeting, as folks will be tired come 4 PM, and many
    gone.
    Five Minute Warning
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 11:11 AM GMT+5
    Five minutes till showtown. They are assembling. Looks like they're at
    just about 25% back near their seats....
    Article 16 -Cities For Climate Protection
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 11:24 AM GMT+5
    The meeting comes to order at 1:18pm. A round of applause for the
    Boy Scouts who are acting as mic runners for the meeting.

    Cities for Climate Protection is asking for $7500 to defray operating
    costs.

    CCP Director Paul Cameron speaks for the organization. The town
    traditionally pays this. Camerson says last year was a very good year
    for them. The Honeywell project went through which will reduce
    energy costs. (Actually, the School part is on hold, due to State
    issues, but the Town project will go on.)

    He also cited the town's switch to biodiesel for its fleet as a positive
    step.

    Molly Burke of District 2 spoke in support of the article.

    Approved by what looked like a unanimous vote.

    Article 17 - West River Watershed Alliance
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 11:28 AM GMT+5
    $1,350 to support the work of the West River Watershed Alliance

    Kathy Urffer spoke about the request. She says that it gets money from
    other towns, and that it costs between 12.5 and 25 cents per person.

    They want to do watershed planning.

    Approved by another unanimous vote.
    Brattleboro Town Meeting: Open Thread
    Authored by: barry on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 11:38 AM GMT+5

    In response to your invitation for company, and to affirm the value of what you are doing, Lise - that there are indeed folks out here paying attention - I'll report that I've been logging on frequently since the opening gavel, and in this way have been following the proceedings. Not having a TV to follow it on BCTV (does it even reach to Guilford??), I'm finding this blog the next best thing to being there. A great service for those of us who are very interested in the ongoing affairs of state.
    Thanks so much.
    Barry
    Brattleboro Town Meeting: Open Thread
    Authored by: Timmy on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 12:30 PM GMT+5
    BCTV does reach Guilford, but you need cable of course, which is spotty
    there from what I understand.
    Brattleboro Town Meeting: Open Thread
    Authored by: Floyd on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 07:04 PM GMT+5

    Yes, BCTV is in Guilford, wherever there is cable anyway.


    Brattleboro Town Meeting: Open Thread
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 04:24 PM GMT+5
    Thank you, Barry! Would have said so earlier, but this blogging thing
    was a full time job today... I was afraid if I stopped paying attention for
    a minute, I'd miss something.
    Article 18 - Windham County Humane Society
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 11:42 AM GMT+5
    $2,000 to assist in funding the Windham County Humane Society

    Mr. Grotke asked if the School Board person would talk about the
    mock town meeting at Green St School. The School guy said that the
    fourth graders were inclined to increase the amount to $10k but that
    after much discussion, passed the original $2000 motion.

    Another rep said that the Humane Society does a lot for Brattleboro,
    that they have a great facility, and that they're having a tough year
    financially. They need the money, esp this year.

    Mr. Crisp said his wife is on the board, and he was asked to say a
    word for dogs and cats. The Humane Society, he said, is that they
    seek support on a sustaining basis. They're budget is $250,000 a year
    and this is just a token contribution of support.

    Mr. Carlton said that we should be looking at the non-human services
    requests as a group, the same way we do for human services
    requests.

    Fric Spruyt mentioned the SEVCA request, which is a separate human
    services request, and said that he thought it should be considered
    ahead of the human services group request, so that it could be voted
    down and then reconsidered as part of the group request.....

    Ms. Southworth said that there should be a committee formed to take
    care of the non-human resources requests.

    Pat DeAngelo asked if the town did an annual transfer to pay for
    services provided to Animal Control, and Barb Sondag said yes, there
    were services that the town pays for.

    Ronnie Johnson of District 3 said that she thought this was nothing
    compared to all the work they do and the animal lives they save.

    Young Mr. McCarty called the question and the vote was counted.
    Ayes have it by considerable margin of 111-19.

    The appropriation is approved.



    Article 18 - Windham County Humane Society
    Authored by: Timmy on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 12:33 PM GMT+5
    Chris made a great suggestion there - I enjoyed hearing about the kids'
    deliberations!
    Article 18 - Windham County Humane Society
    Authored by: cgrotke on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 06:57 PM GMT+5
    Green Street School is in our district. I thought it was a rare opportunity
    to hear what future Town Meeting members thought about a topic on the
    agenda, and appreciated hearing what the kids had said.
    Article 18 - Windham County Humane Society
    Authored by: Tad Montgomery on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 12:39 PM GMT+5
    "Mr." Grotke?!?
    Article 19 - $82,761 Appropriation
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 12:01 PM GMT+5
    $82,761 to fund Honeywell Project for 2008

    Steve Steidle read the motion and yielded to Don Webster -- but it
    was determined that Barb Sondag might be the better person, and she
    presented the issue.

    The original warning was for $92,761, but somehow they managed to
    reduce it by $10k.

    Mr. Cummings said that there was a problem with the warning, which
    was for the higher figure. Bob Fisher said that there should be an
    amendment to reduce the figure, specifying the offset (the Honeywell
    project), and then vote on the amended motion.

    Mr. Cummings made the motion to amend, and it was approved.

    But Mr. Cummings rose and said that the amount was not the problem
    -- it was the fact that the warned article didn't mention Honeywell.

    Fisher said it didn't really matter because it was the Selectboard's
    intention to use the money for Honeywell if passed.

    The Moderator dropped the language in the article that referred to
    Honeywell, and Fagelson said that it wasn't up to the reps to
    determine where this money goes, that's up to the SB.

    Then more procedural discussion from a bunch of people.

    Pat DeAngelo asked about the Honeywell cost and Mr. Cummings said
    that this was out of order because Honeywell was no longer a part of
    the article.

    Mr. Schaefer called the question, and the motion carried.

    Article 19 approved.
    Brattleboro Town Meeting: Open Thread
    Authored by: Christian Avard on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 12:02 PM GMT+5
    patagonianomore checking in. Just got back. Photos to follow.

    As far as I've heard everything's been very civil today. I guess the only point of contention was some back and forth between Carl Fowler & Bob Fagelson on some budgetary issues but that's it.

    LOVE IT LISE! GREAT IDEA!!!!



    Article 20 - $80k for BABB
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 12:51 PM GMT+5
    $80,000 to fund BABB through the Downtown Improvement District

    Don Webster spoke for this article. He said downtown was important,
    and that this was a way to fund the maintenance of downtown. He
    said that the Wilder restoration project got $250,000 as a result of
    BABB's involvement. The state won't give money as readily without a
    stable, trusted organization to funnel the money through.

    He said that statewide, 6 towns have a special assessment district,
    and that other communities have direct support from the town.

    Andrea Livermore, new executive director of BABB, spoke next. She
    has been on the job five days. She wants to talk about her thoughts
    on BABB -- she acknowledges the tough year that they had prior to
    her arrival, the River Garden issue, and the problems with the
    community. She said that BABB needs a stronger relationship with
    the Town and with the community. They also need to do some visible
    things that people can grasp, as well as the less visible stuff that is
    necesssary for "infrastructure support."

    Brattleboro is a really special place to outsiders, she said. She wants
    BABB to reflect the vitality of the town itself. She said that she
    would like to see BABB and downtown businesses work together more
    in promoting events and bringing people in on nights other than
    Gallery Walk night.

    She asked that people call her with ideas and to volunteer.

    Ronnie Johnson said that she spoke to a lot of smaller business
    owners before this vote, and she said that they didn't feel represented
    by BABB.

    Andrea Livermore said that she wants to talk to everyone, including
    the smaller business owners. She said that small business people are
    busy, and may need to be reached out to.

    Dick DeGray said that the stakeholders in the DID did not vote to
    assess a tax on themselves -- the town meeting reps did that, he
    said. He agreed with Ronnie that not everyone in the DID supports
    the DID. He urged Livermore to try to get everyone on board.

    DeGray said that he has the DID on the clock, and that he is open to
    other possibilities. He thinks the whole town should pay this
    assessment, not just downtown business owners. Downtown is
    important to everyone, he said.

    Peter Cooper asked what portion of the assessment was to go to
    capital expenses (rather than operating). Webster said that it was
    about 50-50. Cooper asked then if BABB could put a portion of that
    money toward the Gibson Aiken Center repair, but this was deemed a
    problem question, since they haven't voted on the Gibson Aikens
    article yet. Cooper withdrew his question although he said he's still
    like to know the answer.

    Carl Fowler pointed out that while the tax might not impact the
    downtown property owners all that much, but it did affect downtown
    renters, many of them low income. He also said that he thought
    most in town would like BABB to find a way to preserve the River
    Garden as public space -- it was an "unspoken issue," he said.

    Jim Maxwell said that he supported BABB. There are two issues he
    said -- BABB itself, which some people have problems with, and
    downtown. But he said, downtown needs BABB because BABB has
    access to funding. Defeating this appropriation, he said, won't help
    the economic future of downtown, although it might send a message
    to BABB.

    Spoon Agave said that while he certainly enjoyed a vibrant downtown,
    he wasn't sure if a vibrant downtown was necessary to have a vibrant
    economy. He said that if the town had a vibrant eco
    nomy, that would
    lead to a vibrant downtown by extenion. Jobs are an indication of a
    good economy, he said, and there is no indication that the town has
    gained a single job, and certainly not a living wage job, due to the
    DID. No evidence that DID has contributed to an improving town
    economy.

    Dora Boubolis said that she's been following the DID issue and that
    she's excited about Andrea Livermore taking over as director. She
    said that she was more than willing to take another year to give them
    a chance to recover. Frankly, she said, we don't have anything to
    replace BABB and it's not worth it to lose out on grants by not
    renewing the DID.

    Kevin Maloney said that he approves of the DID and BABB, but due to
    their handling of the River Garden, he would like to know how they
    plan to divest themselves of it. Don Webster said that the River
    Garden is a great space that doesn't support itself. BABB needs to
    get out from underneath it, he said. The goal has always been to
    keep it a public space, and that a lengthy process led to them
    choosing the commercial group to buy the building. But we've heard
    you, that you want the building public, and we're going through a
    strategic planning process that will address this issue. We realize that
    our last solution doesn't have much popular support.

    One rep said that BABB was and is great, and should be supported.
    Another roughly agreed.

    Young Mr. McCarty again called the question. 93-40, debate ends.

    Article 20 passed but not overwhelmingly.
    Article 21 and 22 - Human Services Appropriation, SEVCA
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 01:22 PM GMT+5
    Fric Spruyt asked that the order of the two items be reversed, so that
    the SEVCA request could be considered before the human services
    article, rather than wait until after.

    Ronnie Johnson wanted to know why?

    They voted and Fric's request was not approved.

    Dick DeGray then prepared to read the motion, saying he was going
    to take his time, because he had picked 5:30 pm in the "when will it
    end" poll...

    Dick DeGray read the article, right down to the partridge in the pear
    tree, and spoke in favor of it.

    Ronnie Johnson, who was on the Human Services Agency Committee,
    and she said that one consideration was whether the group benefitted
    Brattleboro people. She said that they did a level funded budget this
    year.

    Mr. Grotke asked that the partridge in the pear tree be struck from
    the official list....

    Article 21 is approved.

    Article 22 is the request from SEVCA for an additional $5000 to meet
    "the emergency needs of the people of Brattleboro."

    Bob Fagelson asked what proportion of the total the $5000 request
    was. The answer was "about 10%."

    Ronnie Johnson said that the Human Services committee didn't know
    when it approved SEVCA's group request that it had a separate article
    on the agenda.

    Mr. Goodhue rose and said that they shouldn't have gone outside the
    HS committee, and that the reps should turn down this request. Jane
    Southworth agreed that they shouldn't let organizations endrun the
    process.

    Bob Fagelson asked if SEVCA was asking for an additional $5000 over
    the committee approved request. Mr. Moderator seemed to say yes.

    Mr. Ben Underhill proposed an amendment to make the amount
    $2,625 so that the total appropriation would be only $5k in all. He
    also urged people to vote the article down and respect the opinion of
    the committee.

    Ms. Milkey said that SEVCA does great work, but due to process
    concerns, she would vote against the article. However, she said that
    she would make a personal contribution and invited others to do the
    same.

    Several other reps agreed that the article should be defeated.

    They voted on the amendment to reduce the amount, and the motion
    carried.

    Bob Fagelson called the question, and the motion passed.

    Article 22 failed by a near unanimous majority.
    Article 23 - Sale of Boyd Wood Lot
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 01:28 PM GMT+5
    The town wants to sell the Boyd Wood Lot on Halladay Brook Rd. It
    would produce revenue for the town and eliminate town liability if
    anything should happen to someone while (trespassing?) on the
    property.

    Someone asked if there was any potential as athletic fields. Mr.
    Gerard's answer was "not really."

    It's assessed at $29,000 but could be worth more if it was deemed
    appropriate for a single family residence.

    Ellen Kaye asked about zoning restrictions on the property, and other
    allowed uses.

    Another rep suggested that they log it before selling it.

    The article is approved.
    Article 24 - Change in Valuation of Business Personal Property
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 02:35 PM GMT+5
    To authorize a change in the basis for valuing business personal
    property from the present system of using depreciation schedules and
    a 10% residual or salvage value to the fair market value method, with
    an exemption of the first $2,500 of value of the personal property.

    Gary Carrier, chair of Listers, spoke to the article. He said that the
    Listers thought that the business personal property tax wasn't yielding
    enough revenue. He felt that by raising it, it would take some burden
    off the home owner, and that taxing on the fair market value is
    consistent with how real estate is valued.

    The $2500 exemption was to help out small business owners.

    Mr. Gerard said that they thought this tax was more fair as well. It
    would raise an additional $200,000 in revenue.

    Jeff Lewis of BDCC spoke on behalf of the industrial businesses in
    town, and said that taxing capital equipment was a disincentive to
    those businesses to be in the state of Vermont. he said that the
    businesses affected are those with a lot of equipment so not all will be
    affected equally. He said that there would also be the problem of
    assessing the fair market value of equipment, some of which is
    antiquated even if still in use.

    Lewis said that this tax change would hurt local industry and urged the
    reps to vote against it. He said that they could find a better way to
    raise this money.

    Bob Woodworth said that he had problems with how to assess the fair
    market value of some of his stuff -- and wondered if it was worth the
    time and trouble. Several other local business owners echoed his
    concerns, although all said that they had no problem paying an
    additional tax, just not this one.

    Mr. Carrier of the Listers Office said this was to some extent, fear of
    the unknown, although he understands their concerns. He said that
    other towns already use this system, and that it isn't all that difficult.
    You'll need to make a list of your equipment, and we'll have to hire a
    consultant in the first year. But it isn't rocket science, and in fact, it's
    State law in Massachusetts.

    Jeff Lewis said that the problem of administration would be
    substantial, and that it was a mess in Massachusetts where there were
    no standards for appraisal.

    Mr. Gerard said it wasn't as bad as Lewis was making it sound.

    Betsy Gentile said she was very opposed to the tax, that the $2500
    exemption wasn't high enough.

    Ms. DeAngeles called the question.

    The vote was close -- 65-59 -- and debate continued.

    Pal Borofsky said that he was involved in this issue, and had concerns
    that equipment and fixtures would be assessed at a much higher value
    than could actually be realized for them. He also agreed with Jeff
    Lewis that the tax environment was not friendly to business as it is,
    although he said that he would not be against paying more in taxes,
    but again, not this one.

    A rep asked what this other way of generating more tax revenue from
    the business community might be?

    DeGray said that he did support the tax, as a way to take some
    burden off of homeowners.

    Young Mr. McCarty said that he agreed with Betsy that this was going
    to send a chilling message to businesses looking to move to
    Brattleboro. He pointed out that it was going to be his generation
    dealing with the future results of this, not that of the assembled body.

    Sandy Shriver said that as a lawyer, he was all in favor of complex
    changes that lead to litigation..... I didn't quite understand his larger
    point -- sorry.

    Another rep said that he was going to favor human beings over
    corporate bodies and vote in favor of this tax change. The next
    speaker said the opposite, that if we push too many businesses out of
    twon, we won't have an economic future.

    Spoon said that labor costs are the real driver and that in light of past
    trends of jobs moving to where the labor costs are cheapest, that the
    state should just reduce the minimum wage to $1 an hour and wait for
    the jobs to come flooding back to the state...

    DeGray accused the business community of stalling. It's always a
    request for further review, he said... He said that if homeowners
    aren't given a break, there won't be a worker class left in town.

    Jenny Milkey said that she had heard so much question from the
    business people that she now felt in need of additional information
    and discussion before she would be willing to support it.

    Someone else said that we're going to end up paying an out of state
    consultant to do this, and he doesn't see how that is going to save the
    town money.

    Tom Franks said re fairness, that thisi is a revenue-generater -- it's
    not a fairness issue. He said that if the article is approved, you would
    be saying with that vote that you think it fair to pass the tax burden
    from residential property taxpayers to businesses. He urged people to
    vote against it.

    Stuart Copans asked if the article could be tabled -- no, said Mr.
    Moderator.

    Ben Underhill: As a small business owner, I call the question.

    Motion carries.

    Then they voted: 49 - 76 against. The article was defeated.


    Article 25 - Pro Rata Rebate Handling
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 02:43 PM GMT+5
    To see if the Town shall apply to the taxpayers’ property tax
    installments pro rata amounts allocated to current year property taxes
    under the State of Vermont’s Homestead Property Tax Income
    Sensitivity Program, in accordance with 32 V.S.A. § 6066a(f)(1).

    Mr. Borofsky says, let's amend to make it "in order", instead of "pro
    rata."

    Emilie Thomas said that it was ok to do this.

    Mr. Borofsky said that he wants people to get their rebate right awy,
    so they could choose what to do with it themselves. He said that the
    town doesn't have the right to withhold and earn interest on that
    money.

    The amendment passed by a wide margin.

    Mr. Fagelson moved the question, and the motion passed.

    Article 25 passed as amended.
    Other Business
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 04:15 PM GMT+5
    Bob Fagelson read a resolution in support of Jerry Remillard for his
    years of service, which was declared approved by the warm round of
    standing applause that followed. Although not all stood, or
    applauded....

    A second resolution was adopted to honor the service of Ray Pessell
    (pardon my spelling....)

    Greg Worden and Kevin Yeager also got commendations for their
    service on the Selectboard.

    Mr. Carlton asked that the Selectboard, School directors, and town
    staff be asked to that they do what they could to contain insurance
    costs but although I thought I was listening, I forgot the jist of his
    request...

    Barb Sondag was given a round of applause and looked somewhat
    uncomfortable throughout.

    Spoon brought up the finance committee recommendations again, and
    moved that the first one be approved -- that the town manager be
    required to produce a level funded budget for next year so that
    citizens and staff could compare figures. Ms. Manning further moved
    that the School budget be included in this level funding directive.

    Sondag said that level funding generally requires personnel cuts.

    Steve Steidle asked if this motion would be binding. O'Connor said
    no, advisory only.

    The School guy said that he had problems with this amendment. The
    School budget, he said, includes a lot of labor costs which are
    contractual. So he said that there would have to be personnel cuts,
    and that's really hard to do. He said that doing a level funded budget
    would be the equivalent of cutting the fourth grade. No serious
    budget can be created on a level funded basis, he said.

    Mr. Avery said that they weren't asking the town or school district to
    actually make these cuts. But he said it would give them a basis of
    comparison, and was worth the extra time to put together the
    additional budget.

    Don Webster urged people to defeat the motion. He said it implied a
    distrust of staff, which wasn't right. He said he trusted staff to do a
    responsible job.

    DeGray also spoke against the motion and the amendment.

    Ms. Manning apologized for her motion, saying that she'd made her
    amendment to make the point that there is far more scrutiny on the
    town budget than on the school district's, and that she didn't find that
    fair.

    They voted on the Manning amendment and the moderator deemed
    that it failed.

    They then voted on the Agave motion and it failed as well.

    Ms. Sarah Edwards then produced a handout detailing the legislative
    agenda this year, and asking people to read it and contact with input
    and thoughtful suggestions.

    I would note that most of the back of the room is now gone.

    Kurt Daims then talked about impeachment. He said that Town
    Meeting passed an impeachment resolution last year, but seemed to
    have forgotten about it. The motion was then read:

    Shall the town of Brattleboro....for the sake of our nation and world,
    issue bonds and notes of $190,000 to hire two advocates who would
    attempt to impeach the president, and also $30,000 to be awarded to
    Dan DeWalt of Newfane for his services....

    Mrs. O'Connor then said that they no longer had a quorum, so they
    counted the room. 74 members were necessary and there were 84
    present, so they had quorum.

    Someone else said that this was going to appropriate funds and
    couldn't be allowed. O'Connor said that was true and that any action
    by this body at this time was solely advisory.

    O'Connor said that it was getting late and Memphis State was on...
    Could we just vote on it now, so we can get out of here?

    Daims said that they debated it for 2 hours last year and O'Connor
    agreed, saying that it wouldn't amount to a ball of pins....

    O'Connor said also that he didn't want to make it look like he's a Bush
    supporter -- I'm a Democrat, he said, and I've been one all my life.

    Someone called the question and much of the room stood in
    agreement. The Moderator ordered a count, after it was requested,
    and it carried by a vote of 46 - 27.

    The Moderator then said that they were losing quorum, which was
    true, as several people got up and left as he was saying that.

    Maxwell said that the motion made no sense, that it would amount to
    a hill of beans. However, he said, for people to want to leave just to
    go watch a basketball game when people are dying over in Iraq was
    shameful.

    The Moderator then said that they no longer had a quorum, and could
    take no further action. The meeting will have to adjourn, he said.

    Seven members then requested a roll call which request was granted.

    But first, there was a five minute recess.

    Ok, Annette Cappy just took roll, calling the names of every single
    participant. Not sure why they're doing this, but I'm sure someone
    will explain it to me.

    Annette has now communicated the number to the Moderator and he
    is preparing to speak.

    He said that there are exactly 73 members, so they do have a
    quorum.... Mr. Daims, you may proceed, he said.

    Mr. Daims refuses, then takes, a mic. Channel 10 switches to loud
    music at this point, and I move to Channel 8 where the meeting is
    still going on...

    Daims said that Bush's crimes were so great that he was willing to
    make this "outrageous" motion, because, he said, we need new
    weapons to fight Mr. Bush and we should not let procedure stop us.
    He warned of war in Iran. We have to think long-term, he said. And
    that's why I suggested a bond, he said.

    The consequences of letting Bush remain in office are potentially
    calamitous. He said the only chance left of securing a happy future for
    our kids is to impeach Bush and his people now.

    To people who want to wait it out or work around him, Daims said
    there's no way to do that. He's too powerful.

    Ellen Kaye said that she doesn't support this particular motion, but the
    many cuts we had to make here, fighting over crumbs, is put in
    perspective when you realize how much of our tax money is going to
    fund the war. I don't want to talk about this all night, but I do think
    it bears some discussion and thought.

    Steve Steidle said there was no longer a quorum.

    O'Connor said he got in enough trouble before, but he did wish he had
    been told what would happen. The other people told me beforehand,
    he said, but Daims did not. Both Daims and O'Connor apologized for
    their earlier testy exchange.

    Someone called the question, and O'Connor asked for a count. Then
    BCTV cut away. Then they came back and a bunch of people talked
    off mic. By a vote of 39-26, the motion to end debate failed.

    Fric Spruyt made a friendly amendment to remove all reference to
    money. Daims agreed to it.

    O'Connor read the amended version of the motion to say that the
    town should appoint two full time people to pursue the impeachment
    of the president and his administration.

    Don Webster said that the resolution passed last year did not call for
    impeachment but just study of whether or not he should be
    impeached. Process does matter, Webster said. I'm a liberal, but we
    don't want to impeach -- I want to replace this whole thing with the
    resolution we passed last year until it's been established that the
    president has commit impeachable crimes.

    Fric said that in his understanding, to impeach means to accuse and
    investigate.

    Maxwell apologized to O'Connor for the basketball remark. He then
    said that an impeachment is an indictment. Impeachment is
    important, he said, and worth pushing for. He said he would like to
    approve the Webster amendment.

    Hilary Cook said that he would like to go one step further than Mr.
    Webster, to request that our representatives call for the impeachment
    of the president.

    Steidle said he didn't understand why they were continuing debate
    without a quorum.

    Mr. Moderator said ok, he would do what he was required to do by
    Robert's Rules. He said that he did want to keep the forum open
    (sustained applause). I would suspend the rules in this case to allow
    people to try to come up with a resolution, O'Connor said.

    O'Connor asked if Spruyt and Webster would withdraw their
    amendments. Spruyt said that he and Daims were fine with it. But
    Webster didn't want to call for impeachment and refused to withdraw
    the amendment....

    Ok, and on that note, I'm going to publish this comment and continue
    in the next one.
    Impeachment Part 2
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 04:21 PM GMT+5
    Ok, while we were between comments, someone else said they were
    uncomfortable conducting this business without a quorum and
    requested they adjourn. This motion carried.

    Now, it's just the diehards. They're voting on amendments.
    Webster's amendment fails, and the Cook amendment passes. This is
    just informal advisory vote, not a Town Meeting vote.

    So, while not official, a vote was taken and a call to impeach passed.

    And that does it for this town meeting. Members are filing out, and
    the credits just started to roll.
    Impeachment Part 2
    Authored by: Timmy on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 04:32 PM GMT+5
    The Daims resolution was embarrasing and hard to watch, but Ellen Kaye
    really spoke eloquently for the sentiment (while not supporting the
    resolution) and saved the whole experience for me.
    Great work, Lise!
    Missed Opportunity
    Authored by: Floyd on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 05:43 PM GMT+5
    If that wasn't a textbook example of how to alienate natural allies and not get a meaningful resolution voted upon due to an inability to work with others or hear feedback from those who could have assisted... I don't know what is.

    Instead we watched a poorly executed effort to piss around until the quorum was gone, and watch dozens of people walk out. WHat a joke! What a monumental waste.

    Brattleboro would have passed the language of last year and been on record for a second year and because of the ineptitude of one guy, who shall, for me be forever known as the Red menace, that opportunity was squandered.


    Unbelievable! Very disappointing.

    Thanks to Jim Maxwell, Ellen Kaye and Hillary Cooke among others for salvaging a little bit of the discussion and making some important statements.

    I need a drink.



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    Missed Opportunity
    Authored by: Christian Avard on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 05:59 PM GMT+5

    May I recommend a CHAINSAW.

    One part tequilla. One part Jagermeister

    After the Daims debacle, a shot like is warranted.
    Missed Opportunity
    Authored by: Kurt Daims on Saturday, March 31 2007 @ 11:51 PM GMT+5
    I can't see why Floyd and H are so disappointed. No alliance was forming or broken. If others had motions on impeachment they kept them secret, while I made several announcements looking for collaborators and suggestions. Floyd knew, Ellen Kaye knew, Jim Maxwell, Dan Dewalt all knew of the nature of my proposal. Dewalt even suggested in an interview in the Reformer that I could propose town-funded impeachment at town meeting. (The award to him was unknown to him and added later.) I regret not bringing the motion to a vote quickly before the quorum expired. I was a novice. It would have been defeated, but it would have been on record and more widely reported outside Brattleboro. That was my purpose. It's no loss that I didn't proprose an improvement of the 2006 resolution the way Floyd and a few others may have liked. It's not just about Brattleboro. We desperately need NEW weapons against Bush. We need to bend the rules. That was the message and it needed to be said.
    Impeachment Part 2
    Authored by: Christian Avard on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 05:11 PM GMT+5

    Wow. Now that was a cluster****

    PAGING RLELKINS !!!!

    It's All in the Timing
    Authored by: Floyd on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 06:49 PM GMT+5


    By the way, it looks like the iBrattleboro clock has yet to reflect daylight savings time so all of these times are on hour behind.


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    Impeachment Part 2
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Sunday, March 25 2007 @ 10:14 AM GMT+5
    Nice reporting, Lise.

    I'm sure voters won't re-elect those Town Meeting representatives who left before the end of Town Meeting, shirking the duties they were elected to carry out.

    -Maus

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    Leaving the Meeting Early
    Authored by: Floyd on Sunday, March 25 2007 @ 10:26 AM GMT+5

    Alot of Town Meeting members left in the mid afternoon long before Other Business was even contemplated. Dozens were gone before the Red Menace had even stood up to waste our time. They get credit for being there as long as they stay for the first few minutes of the afternoon session.
    Leaving the Meeting Early
    Authored by: cgrotke on Sunday, March 25 2007 @ 12:16 PM GMT+5
    I think you mean "they get credit for being there" in the sense that their
    name was checked off and it was officially recorded that they attended.

    Not "we should all give them credit for lasting until 5 minutes into the
    afternoon." Right?
    Leaving the Meeting Early
    Authored by: Floyd on Sunday, March 25 2007 @ 12:25 PM GMT+5

    Yes, that's correct.

    The attendance records will indicate they were present for the afternoon session even if they leave at 2 or 3 PM.

    I wonder if a 1 hr 15 minute lunch isn't a bit counter productive in that regard.

    Perhaps a 45 minute lunch might be better and help assure the meeting ends a half hour earlier.

    Just a thought.


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    Leaving the Meeting Early
    Authored by: cgrotke on Sunday, March 25 2007 @ 01:07 PM GMT+5
    That's what I thought...

    There is, however, an offical count of who was there at the end. That
    should be a matter of public record, and might be fun to get a hold of an
    publish. I'll ask Annette Cappy if it is available.
    Leaving the Meeting Early
    Authored by: H on Monday, March 26 2007 @ 03:43 PM GMT+5
    As a town meeting rep I struggled with this issue last year about my obligation to stay for the impeachment discussion...after all, in the "other business" portion of the program nothing is binding and no funding will be authorized, but, for this year's meeting I came to the conclusion that if the moderator allows discussion on a topic, any topic, then I will gladly participate. An unfortunate aspect of the way this years meeting finished is that I know there were other folks who were thinking the same way I was...they were ready to do some impeachment business. Instead, Uncle Sham gets up and the place starts filling out. Nice work dude!
    Leaving the Meeting Early
    Authored by: cgrotke on Monday, March 26 2007 @ 08:20 PM GMT+5
    I agree. I feel obligated to stay as long as necessary until the meeting is
    adjourned. I feel it's a matter of respect, and I would want someone to
    extend me the same courtesy if I had something to bring up under other
    business.
    Leaving the Meeting Early
    Authored by: Kurt Daims on Saturday, March 31 2007 @ 11:49 PM GMT+5
    I can't see why Floyd and H are so disappointed. No alliance was forming or broken. If others had motions on impeachment they kept them secret, while I made several announcements looking for collaborators and suggestions. Floyd knew, Ellen Kaye knew, Jim Maxwell, Dan Dewalt all knew of the nature of my proposal. Dewalt even suggested in an interview in the Reformer that I could propose town-funded impeachment at town meeting. (The award to him was unknown to him and added later.) I regret not bringing the motion to a vote quickly before the quorum expired. I was a novice. It would have been defeated, but it would have been on record and more widely reported outside Brattleboro. That was my purpose. It's no loss that I didn't proprose an improvement of the 2006 resolution the way Floyd and a few others may have liked. It's not just about Brattleboro. We desperately need NEW weapons against Bush. We need to bend the rules. That was the message and it needed to be said.
    Kurt's Mistake
    Authored by: Sid on Monday, April 02 2007 @ 03:15 AM GMT+5
    Kurt, who acknowledges being an novice, might do better next time by improving his skills in cooperating with other people. Sometime a person has little choice but to function as the "Lone Ranger," but on an issue as popular in Vermont as impeachment, Kurt surely could have been a lot more effective working with others. Instead his attempted action became a debacle, drawing more attention to Kurt Daims than to Bush' crimes, and being singularly unhelpful in the impeachment effort.
    Post Meeting Wrap Up
    Authored by: Lise on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 04:29 PM GMT+5
    Just wanted to say that it was fun participating in the democratic process
    in this way. Also want to say that I apologize for typos, spelling errors,
    and misidentifications of speakers -- please, if you see errors, comment
    and correct them.

    And if you were there today and have thoughts on the meeting, feel free
    to comment wherever it seems appropriate. I'd love to hear from
    people on all sides of the issues and I'm sure others would too.
    You know what woulda been funny?
    Authored by: Christian Avard on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 06:50 PM GMT+5

    Someone shoulda interogated Daims as to why Dan DeWalt only gets $30,000 while the other two $80 K's a piece.
    You know what woulda been funny?
    Authored by: Kurt Daims on Saturday, March 31 2007 @ 10:50 PM GMT+5
    Hello.
    Because the other two work specifically full time and for hire and for two years, while Dewalt is a volunteer.
    Post Meeting Wrap Up
    Authored by: annikee on Saturday, March 24 2007 @ 09:32 PM GMT+5
    Just want to say thanks, Lise for a blow-by-blow, as I couldn't be there this year. Really great job, everyone. Even the miscreants. What a town!

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