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Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 12:01 AM GMT+4
Contributed by: Lise

iBrattleboroChris and I found out a couple weeks ago that an employee of Rescue Inc. is suing iBrattleboro.com over comments made by then Rescue Inc. Director David Dunn on the site. We would like to say more about this, but circumstances force us to be circumspect for the time being.

What we can say is that we believe the suit to be without merit and will be taking appropriate legal action. Attorney Jim Maxwell of Brattleboro is helping with our case.

Thanks, all, for your support recently and over the last four years. We look forward to telling you more as soon as we're legally able.

- Lise and Chris

 

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    iBrattleboro Sued For Libel
    Authored by: shaw on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 12:05 AM GMT+4
    Hey guys...

    You got my support...
    -Shaw
    You. Have. Got. To. Be. Kidding. Me.
    Authored by: JulieWaters on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 04:34 PM GMT+4
    I'm speechless. And that's quite the trick.
    Okay, I found something to say.
    Authored by: JulieWaters on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 04:40 PM GMT+4
    but I posted it on my blog so if anyone gets sued for it, it's me.
    iBrattleboro Sued For Libel
    Authored by: MaryRothschild on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 12:17 AM GMT+4
    Hope you don't get stressed...you have so much support for your unique and indispensable work.

    Time to feed the kitty.

    Mary
    iBrattleboro Sued For Libel
    Authored by: deniselglover on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 03:42 PM GMT+4
    Where IS the kitty? I want to feed it...Temporarily removed?
    iBrattleboro Sued For Libel
    Authored by: annikee on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 03:52 PM GMT+4
    It's on the Home page, on the right side under he Events calendar. The Support iBrattleboro block!

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    A lie runs around the world while the truth is tying its laces.
    iBrattleboro Sued For Libel
    Authored by: deniselglover on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 04:08 PM GMT+4
    Thanks!
    Equal Blame
    Authored by: Todd on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 12:27 AM GMT+4
    Well, as long as this former employee is also suing: the ISP(s) which transmitted the communications, the power companies, the programmers who created the OS he uses, the engineers who build the computers, and for that matter all of the engineers, inventors, miners, loggers and farmers who made what THEY did possible . . . . in short, everybody. Then I'll consider it perhaps a valid lawsuit.
    Equal Blame
    Authored by: Floyd on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 01:29 PM GMT+4

    Don't forget to include everyone who read the Dunn post. Without us reading there could be no alleged libel.




    The Blame Game
    Authored by: Floyd on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 01:58 PM GMT+4

    It looks as though Dunn's comment has been removed from this site, perhaps on the advice of legal council. I would note that just because it is gone from here doesn't mean it no longer exists.

    There are places on the web where nearly every page of the web are kept forever. This is an automatic process where snapshots of the billions (85 billion as of today) of webpages are made and preserved. If one stays with the logic of the lawsuit theoretically those sites are now holding offensive or allegedly libelous statements and would also be open to lawsuits by those who are offended about some aspect of the content that originally appeared elsewhere.

    The Blame Game
    Authored by: annikee on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 03:59 PM GMT+4
    And Sabina Haskell talked about his post on the radio, so shouldn't she be included? And everyone in town who talked about it after David Dunn posted it? Including the Reformer? Where does this end? The responsibility for the comment lies with the one who made it, no one else.

    I never witnessed such Caustic Gossip until I moved here.

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    A lie runs around the world while the truth is tying its laces.
    The Blame Game
    Authored by: JulieWaters on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 05:09 PM GMT+4
    Great. Now you're going to give Sabina a heart attack.

    Then she can sue you.

    :-)
    The Blame Game
    Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 10:24 PM GMT+4
    If someone can find a cached page I will strip the post's text and put it
    on my site and they can add me to a growing list of those who should
    logically be included in this suit. Hell, if enough people do it, who knows
    what will happen!

    BTW, Jim Maxwell, you are the Man!



    iBrattleboro Sued For Libel
    Authored by: annikee on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 01:20 AM GMT+4
    Don't worry, this is baloney. Your disclaimer should cover it. What a nerve. We're all behind you.

    Laura

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    A lie runs around the world while the truth is tying its laces.
    Fully Agreed
    Authored by: shaw on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 01:25 AM GMT+4
    Just to point out that since this site started, a disclaimer has been located on the bottom of each and every page:

    "All information and opinions expressed on these pages are the responsibility of their respective owners, and not of iBrattleboro.com. iBrattleboro.com reserves the right to refuse publication of any story and to remove posted comments, as we see fit."
    iBrattleboro Sued For Libel
    Authored by: Terry Martin on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 02:37 AM GMT+4
    Did a little "deductive" search on this and found that the Reformer has a breaking article on this at:

    BREAKING: Rescue Inc, volunteer sues Dunn, ibrattleboro

    "This too will pass!"

    iBrattleboro Sued For Libel
    Authored by: babalu on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 03:20 AM GMT+4
    Thanks for providing the link to the story - I read it with grave concern until I got to the part where it states the name of her attorney; then I broke out laughing! I guess she's - well; wait a minute - I might be sued for libel if I make any further statements here - but I'll be back; just have to double check that if a person is making truthful and verifiable disclosures, well, THAT just isn't libel!


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    If there is no wind, ROW!
    iBrattleboro Sued For Libel
    Authored by: marcia on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 04:27 AM GMT+4
    Truth is said to be the ultimate defense against an allegation of defamation. However it is not always the case. For example: Suppose someone is defamed by a story that they are incontinent and wear adult diapers. Even if it is 100% true, if it is a gratuitous fact, publicly disclosed only to harm the person's reputation, then it is liable.

    In this case it remains to be seen whether Dunn's claim that an adulterous affair was going on is true, and if so whether that excuses it from being defamatory. According to the Reformer story, the person who is suing denies that Dunn's allegation was true. That could turn the trial into a three-ring circus with lurid testimony about who was screwing whom.
    iBrattleboro Sued For Libel
    Authored by: Terry Martin on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 08:16 PM GMT+4
    Don't worry Chris & Lise
    Authored by: Christian Avard on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 02:45 AM GMT+4

    I'm circling the wagons now. The Vermont blogosphere's behind you
    100%!

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    "A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory." - Steven Wright, comedian

    iBrattleboro Sued For Libel
    Authored by: Homey on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 04:24 AM GMT+4
    That's ridiculous. You provide the space, you don't write the words.
    Might as well sue a street corner for what someone said there.
    I have no idea whether David Dunn's statements were true or false,
    know nothing about it. If someone wants to take him or anyone else
    to court for making false and damaging statements, then let the court
    decide and award any damages needed.
    But you didn't make a statement. You provided a forum for
    statements, which is what you do. If only proven-to-be-true
    statements are allowed on your forum, there won't be many-- it
    would take far too long and be cost-prohibitive to fact-check and
    verify every remark made-- basically silencing speech.
    Free speech requires that the forum where speech is heard be
    unthreatened and untrammelled, or free speech will be little more
    than a theory.


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    homey
    iBrattleboro Sued For Libel
    Authored by: Homey on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 04:32 AM GMT+4
    So, can I sue The New York Time for printing Bush's lies about weapons of mass destruction? We could get a good class action suit going on that one, make us all rich and retired.

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    homey
    iBrattleboro Sued For Libel
    Authored by: Homey on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 04:48 AM GMT+4
    PS Do you think John Kerry still has time to go back and sue all those
    television stations for airing those "Swift Boats" ads? I mean, talk
    about damaging!

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    homey
    iBrattleboro Sued For Libel
    Authored by: Perceptionist on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 11:29 AM GMT+4
    You got my support!

    Some people will always try to make an easy buck off freedom of speech.


    iBrattleboro.com will prevail.

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    lifeocity.sppreebb.com
    iBrattleboro Sued For Libel
    Authored by: Namaya on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 12:14 PM GMT+4
    I Brattleboro is an absolutely terrific public form and the comments are the responsibility of the person positing them.
    Given Dunn's heavy-handed behavior at Rescue I'm sure he deserves all the appropriate comments.

    Fight censorship.

    N
    iBrattleboro Sued For Libel
    Authored by: annikee on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 01:58 PM GMT+4
    Steve West suggested we write to Ms. Mayhew's lawyer and urge this suit be dropped. She should pursue the guy who said it, but drop this ridiculous and time wasting suit against Chris & Lise. If you're of a mind to do that:

    Margot Stone, Esq.
    120 Western Ave
    Brattleboro VT 05301

    My letter is done.

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    A lie runs around the world while the truth is tying its laces.
    Story spreading like wildfire
    Authored by: Christian Avard on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 03:28 PM GMT+4

    Looks like Ms. Effie picked the wrong fight. Now the story's making it's way around the blogosphere. Here's a list that's bound to grow today.

    Green Mountain Daily
    Five Before Chaos
    She's Right (Vermont's token conservative)
    Daily Kos! (a.k.a."The Big Orange")

    How 'bout that?

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    "A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory." - Steven Wright, comedian

    iBrattleboro Sued For Libel
    Authored by: Brady on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 05:07 PM GMT+4
    This is just a shame. I certainly hope that you or your attorney has reached out to the EFF regarding this case. They may be able to offer some assistance and they would certainly be interested. http://www.eff.org/

    Best of luck.
    I'm Pro-iBrattleboro
    Authored by: Belfast on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 07:26 PM GMT+4
    Wow, how awful is this ?

    I don't believe this site "did" anything wrong. Generally (in the big picture), I
    think plenty of other media institutions (not to mention, government
    administrations & business corporations) have done all manner of egregious
    things, yet they're large enough to defend themselves. iBrattleboro is not a
    problem nor is it the problem, in my subjective opinion.

    Tried looking at Reformer link-removed from their site. Five Before Chaos
    blog-made my browser crash. Green Mountain Briefing also had no article
    when I clicked on link. Was able to view Reason & Brimstone (JulieWaters'
    blog). Is there a virtual information blackout on this news ? Yikes !

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    "Day by day nothing seems to change, but pretty soon everything is different."-Calvin & Hobbes
    I'm Pro-iBrattleboro
    Authored by: dwbarlow on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 07:52 PM GMT+4
    Uh, yeah, all us media types are engaged in a conspiracy to hide the news of this lawsuit. You caught us.

    Seriously, the Reformer link here was to a breaking news story. Don't know why that link went dead, but the paper has the story as their top piece of their Web site.

    I'm Pro-iBrattleboro
    Authored by: Terry Martin on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 08:23 PM GMT+4
    Hey Dan,

    I updated the LINK above!

    As I have posted here before and most recently, it's not good to stereotype people, groups, cops and yes, our media people. <G>

    Enjoyed your article on the future of Vermont Law Enforcement in the Herald today!


    Take Care,

    Terry
    I'm Pro-iBrattleboro
    Authored by: dwbarlow on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 09:22 PM GMT+4
    Thanks, Terry, and I agree 100 percent.

    This law enforcement study group is something to watch, although it will be a bit before anything begins to move.

    It was really eye-opening to hear cops talk about how 20 years ago they were working on stolen bike cases and are now facing crimes such as armed robbery. The face of Vermont is truly changing.
    Citizen Journalism is NOT the enemy
    Authored by: Belfast on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 11:36 PM GMT+4
    Thanks to Terry for putting the (changed) Reformer link up for story, was
    able to read it there.
    Is this considered too small a story for Rutland Herald to mention ? Just
    wondering. Not trying to incite, conflate, or 'make things worse'-whatever
    that might mean.


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    "Day by day nothing seems to change, but pretty soon everything is different."-Calvin & Hobbes
    I'm Pro-iBrattleboro
    Authored by: JulieWaters on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 10:03 PM GMT+4
    Tried looking at Reformer link-removed from their site. Five Before Chaos blog-made my browser crash. Green Mountain Briefing also had no article when I clicked on link. Was able to view Reason & Brimstone (JulieWaters' blog).
    Ha ha! What my blog lacks in creativity or inspiration, it makes up for in readability.
    Is there a virtual information blackout on this news ? Yikes !
    Yes. I'm not supposed to say this to anyone, and the conspirators would stop me if they knew, but +++ NO CARRIER
    Close the tavern doors!
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 09:58 PM GMT+4
    All I can say about this is: do you sue the town for something someone says on the town common? Do you sue the tavern for something said at the bar?

    This is not a publication, and Chris and Lise are not editors, proofreaders, or publishers. I think when you hit "submit comment" you have taken on those roles for yourself. It's that type of public participation and control that makes a site like this different from a publication.

    Imagine if every internet site was liable for the content of public comment on their site. It would effectively stifle the free exchange of ideas, one of the most important things that the internet offers - the very reason it was "invented," as a matter of fact.

    -Maus

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    The Second Horseman: Less than a year and a half left in office.
    Accountability & Karma
    Authored by: Tad Montgomery on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 10:48 PM GMT+4
    Well folks, I seem to disagree with the majority on this one.

    When I read the piece by Dunn I shuddered for the poor person who
    he was naming, as well as for the tone of the whole piece. I
    wholeheartedly support iBratt, in many different ways, even when I
    disagree with the flavor or content of some of Chris & Lise's pieces,
    but in this case I think a mistake was made and a person's character
    was damaged. I don't believe the internet should be used that way.

    At the same time, I also don't believe in much of the body of what we
    call tort law. Receiving monetary damages will not restore this
    person's reputation and standing in the community. In fact, it might
    damage them further. If I hit a child with my car and their parent
    sues me, aside from helping with medical expenses it is unlikely that
    either the parent or the child will be happier as a result of obtaining a
    settlement from me. Studies have shown pretty conclusively that
    money doesn't make people happier, after basic needs are met.

    This brings up big questions around the meaning of contepts like
    accountability and justice. What is appropriate when we hold
    ourselves or another accountable for causing damage? An apology is
    good, acknowledgment of wrong done, but it is only a start. I believe
    that it is also good to look deeply inside oneself for any 'shadows' (a
    Jungian term) that may have operated subconsciously behind the
    action. When these are acknowledged the aggrieved person is more
    likely to rest assured that the behavior won't be repeated. Finally, I
    believe in a balancing of the scales, a restoring of karmic equilibrium.
    If I hit the child and hurt them, I should take responsibility for their
    recuperation, as best I can.

    As I understand it, the (restorative) community justice program tries
    to achieve much of what I have outlined above. Unfortunately, much
    of our present court system makes it almost impossible.
    Accountability
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 11:34 PM GMT+4
    Oh, Tad, I think everyone here who read Dunn's comments shuddered for the same reason, and would agree that a mistake was made and someone was hurt.
    I can't speak for anyone else, but I just don't agree that ibrattleboro is liable for the comment. Morally or legally.
    Dunn alone is responsible for his actions and his judgement. From the title of your post do I gather you think ibratt is accountable?

    -Maus

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    The Second Horseman: Less than a year and a half left in office.
    iBrattleboro Sued For Libel
    Authored by: Perceptionist on Wednesday, November 28 2007 @ 11:16 PM GMT+4
    What is EFF. I checked out the link but it looks like a mix of services and products. Good Luck (Not that you need it.) As the case is bull$hit. If this lady wins, it's going to keep lawyers real busy and eventually pass internet regulation rules with consequences.

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    lifeocity.sppreebb.com
    Finally...
    Authored by: darqmatr on Thursday, November 29 2007 @ 01:39 AM GMT+4
    I've got something to protest. Okay, I doubt I'll get much response in Pismo Beach, CA with "Save iBrattleboro." But I'm willing!

    Does that make me a bona fide activist? ;)

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    http://www.chooseveg.com/animal-cruelty.asp
    Finally...
    Authored by: annikee on Thursday, November 29 2007 @ 01:49 AM GMT+4
    Yes, I'll get your membership packet in the mail! That is, after at least 8 meetings and several dozen emails about it are done.

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    A lie runs around the world while the truth is tying its laces.
    Finally...
    Authored by: darqmatr on Thursday, November 29 2007 @ 01:59 AM GMT+4
    I've been waiting for something i believe in 100%. I think this is it.

    One more question. Do I have to grow my hair long? Will people take me serious if I'm wearing shorts and flip flops? And smell like sun tan lotion?

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    http://www.chooseveg.com/animal-cruelty.asp
    Finally...
    Authored by: annikee on Thursday, November 29 2007 @ 02:03 AM GMT+4
    Yes, yes, no.

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    A lie runs around the world while the truth is tying its laces.
    Hey, Brother!
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Thursday, November 29 2007 @ 02:37 AM GMT+4
    Those better be hemp flip-flops.

    -Maus

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    The Second Horseman: Less than a year and a half left in office.
    Hey, Brother!
    Authored by: darqmatr on Thursday, November 29 2007 @ 03:00 AM GMT+4
    I think they're made of organic palm leaves with chakra glue and rubber tires from Tijuana. I better check.

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    http://www.chooseveg.com/animal-cruelty.asp
    Summoning the calvery
    Authored by: shaw on Thursday, November 29 2007 @ 02:02 AM GMT+4
    I just created this banner that I put on top of my blog:

    [flickr:2072163073 size:medium]

    Anyone else out there is free to steal the graphic. I have the banner linked directly to your PayPal page, which is, I am assuming, is going to be used for your legal defense fund.

    I'll try to create smaller "button" graphics later on.
    CALVARY
    Authored by: shaw on Thursday, November 29 2007 @ 02:04 AM GMT+4
    well, no matter how you spell it, help will hopefully be on the way...
    The horse guys
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Thursday, November 29 2007 @ 02:31 AM GMT+4
    Cavalry is the guys on horses with guns n bugles
    Calvary is the place where Jesus was crucified

    -Maus

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    The Second Horseman: Less than a year and a half left in office.
    The horse guys
    Authored by: shaw on Thursday, November 29 2007 @ 02:56 AM GMT+4
    eeeek

    THE HORSE GUYS! We are talking about THE HORSE GUYS!

    Ok - here is a smaller graphic especially made for those who have Wordpress sidebars
    [flickr: 2072236805]

    If you click on it it will take you to a somewhat bigger version on my Flickr page.

    Also, the link for the "kitty" is right here.

    Subscriptions are at this link.

    Advertising info is over here
    The complaint
    Authored by: Timmy on Thursday, November 29 2007 @ 06:31 AM GMT+4
    The discussion continues
    Authored by: Christian Avard on Thursday, November 29 2007 @ 02:08 PM GMT+4

    If you get the chance, head on over to Green Mountain Daily where they're really putting this case under the microscope.

    Click here.

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    "A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory." - Steven Wright, comedian

    What Lawyer would help press such a groundless suit?
    Authored by: Rolf on Thursday, November 29 2007 @ 07:29 PM GMT+4
    If any lawyer would know that this suit against iBrattleboro has no merit,

    then what are we to make any lawyer who advised their client to sue Chris and Lise ?

    Can the plantiff be made to pay for the defendants' legal fees?

    Sometimes this happens, but on what legal grounds?

    How does that worK ?

    Hopeful this won't end up costing Chris or Lise a penny, but what is the chance of that I suppose.

    That being the case, is a fundraiser to help cover their legal fees needed, pronto?

    Rolf
    What Lawyer would help press such a groundless suit?
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Thursday, November 29 2007 @ 08:14 PM GMT+4
    If anyone is going to do any fundraising, I suspect one of us will have to organize it. Chris and Lise have vowed to remain silent for now.
    Anyone have any experience with in fundraising? Anybody have any ideas?

    -Maus

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    The Second Horseman: Less than a year and a half left in office.
    What Would it Take? Not a lot!
    Authored by: annikee on Thursday, November 29 2007 @ 09:21 PM GMT+4
    A few years back, a bunch of my friends threw a rent party for me in the Common Ground. We all made foods- pasta and potato salads, chicken wings, crudite, baked goods. We asked a bunch of musician friends to play for free- Tiny Monsters, Peter Segal, Scott Ainslie, Ben Mitchell- so many I can't even remember now- and Ian Bigelow played on a washtub and Tim Guerente on bass- Ian did "Yertl the Turtle". Joe Crompton made and put posters up all over the place.

    Even after paying for the food and wine and beer we bought (the CG wouldn't take any money, I might add, gods bless em) I had a little over a month's rent, and that was just with about 50 people who came out in a hurricane. Literally, a hurricane. It was like having buckets of water thrown in your face that night. It was a really amazing thing, and it kept me in that apartment. I felt like George Bailey.

    Now that the CG has a beer/wine license they could run a cash bar. There are plenty of musicians in this circle. We can do it.

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    A lie runs around the world while the truth is tying its laces.
    Fundraising at the click of a mouse
    Authored by: shaw on Thursday, November 29 2007 @ 09:31 PM GMT+4
    I would like to remind folks that the best way to raise funds for
    Ibrattleboro is by either placing an advertisement on the site, donating
    by clicking the "Feed the Kitty" graphic on the right hand side of the
    front page, or by buying a subscription.

    The more folks do that = the more money both Chris and Lise have for
    their legal defense and for operating this site.
    Fundraising at the click of a mouse
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Friday, November 30 2007 @ 05:27 PM GMT+4
    That's the most direct way for those who have papal accounts or credit cards. There is a substantial population of people who don't, but who might participate in another way.

    Another idea I had was to trade some things on "Brattlebarter" for a donation to ibrattleboro. In other words, I might have an item or service that I'd be willing to give you if you'd promise to make a donation to ibratt. It would totally be on the honor system, of course.

    -Maus

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    The Second Horseman: Less than a year and a half left in office.
    Fundraising at the Vatican
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Friday, November 30 2007 @ 05:29 PM GMT+4
    Heh, heh. I meant "paypal" accounts, of course, not "papal" accounts.

    -Maus

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    The Second Horseman: Less than a year and a half left in office.
    Fundraising at the Vatican- an idea whose time has come!
    Authored by: annikee on Saturday, December 01 2007 @ 03:45 PM GMT+4
    If the Pope wishes to contribute, he is welcome to! In fact, all the guys in VC can- there are hundreds of workers there alone! So come on, you Swiss Guards, you Cistine floorpolishers, you bird dropping removers, kick in a few bucks from the papal accounts! In fact, I''ll sweeten the pot; you guys send some lire and I'll go to a Christmas Mass. There you go- a good deed AND a chance at bringing a Pagan to Christ! Is that an offer you can't refuse or what?

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    A lie runs around the world while the truth is tying its laces.
    Reformer Editorial
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Friday, November 30 2007 @ 04:15 PM GMT+4
    The Reformer had an editorial on this today. It's an interesting and informative piece with some food for thought:
    http://www.reformer.com/editorials/ci_7597635

    A few points from the editorial:

    ***Libel law applies to Web sites too. While federal law protects Internet service providers from lawsuits, the MLRC said there have been five cases in recent years where bloggers have been sued and forced to pay damages for information posted on their Web sites.***
    It would be nice to know the details: Did the bloggers post the libelous information? Or was it posted by a third party? In the ibrattleboro instance, the information in question was posted by a third party.

    ***Here is where the law can get tricky. On its home page, iBrattleboro says it is an "original, locally-owned citizen journalism site." Is what appears on iBrattleboro "journalism?" Are the people who post there "journalists?" While Grotke and LePage do perform actual journalism, as do other volunteers, the bulk of the content on iBrattleboro is opinion posted by mostly anonymous contributors.***
    I do think there is a difference between citizen journalism and professional media journalism. But is he suggesting that opinion isn't part of journalism? I think that's kind of amusing coming from someone who is writing an opinion piece published in a daily newspaper. Duh!

    ***So is iBrattleboro a news site, or is it a blog? Further, what is Grotke and LePage's responsibility for monitoring the comments posted on their site?***
    Good questions, I think. iBrattleboro is unlike almost anything else out there.

    ***They unfortunately forgot an important principle that might have prevented this suit -- a timely correction of false or defamatory information and a formal apology will usually prevent legal action.***
    But according to Chris and Lise, no one, not even the plaintiff, ever told them that the information was false, or requested that it be removed. How do you correct information you don't know is wrong?

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    The Second Horseman: Less than a year and a half left in office.

    A response to the editorial that was put on the Reformer's Web site...
    Authored by: shaw on Saturday, December 01 2007 @ 03:12 AM GMT+4
    This is what I wrote:

    "Wait a second here.

    If you notice, there is a "comments" section here on The Reformer's Web site.

    If I write something like "Martin Langeveld wears pink fuzzy sweaters," and it appears and stays on your comments section for, say, a few hours, does that mean I would be held libel for the comment, or doesn't this mean THE REFORMER WOULD BE HELD LIABLE FOR THE COMMENT??

    Furthermore, you are wrong about iBrattleboro having "mostly anonymous
    contributors". Everyone on the site has a user name AND they have all filled out forms stating who they are.

    Also, yes, I do think much of the content on Ibrattleboro IS JOURNALISM. People have covered select board meetings AND every other kind of event you can think of.
    Just because you publish a commentary section doesn't mean you're not a newspaper.

    So yes, just because they are not reporters for your company (who constantly work UNPAID OVERTIME), that does not mean they are not journalists."

    So now my libelous comment about Martin Langeveld has appeared on The Reformer's Web site, doesn't this mean that he's going to have to sue his own company?
    HA! HA HA HA HA!
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Saturday, December 01 2007 @ 04:08 AM GMT+4
    This disclaimer was posted at the top of the comments page!:
    "The views expressed in the comments below are not those of the Reformer, New England Newspapers, or MediaNews Group Inc."

    Hee-hee, heh-heh. Almost as ironic as someone editorializing against opinion in journalism!

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    The Second Horseman: Less than a year and a half left in office.
    And it's 2 am...
    Authored by: shaw on Saturday, December 01 2007 @ 05:58 AM GMT+4
    ...several hours after I wrote the libelous comment about Martin Langeveld wearing pink fuzzy sweaters.

    No timely correction of false or defamatory information on The Reformer's part.

    Thus, they can be sued for libel.

    After all, libel is libel.

    Especially when it comes from a newspaper.

    Ooops - or is The Reformer a news site? Or is it a blog?
    A response to the editorial that was put on the Reformer's Web site...
    Authored by: dwbarlow on Saturday, December 01 2007 @ 03:02 PM GMT+4
    Do you have evidence that the Reformer reporters are not paid the overtime they worked? Because that would be a violation of state law. If it is not true, it could even be libel!

    Anyway, I was always paid the overtime I worked while at the Reformer. They didn't encourage working overtime, but when we had only 3 out of the 5 reporter positions filled for months, there was little else I could do.
    A response to the editorial that was put on the Reformer's Web site...
    Authored by: shaw on Sunday, December 02 2007 @ 10:52 PM GMT+4
    I don't want to distract from the subject at hand...but, being that I used to work for MediaNews Group...

    I'll just leave it at that.
    iBrattleboro Sued For Libel
    Authored by: Terry Martin on Monday, December 03 2007 @ 12:18 AM GMT+4
    For those that might not of caught it, Dan Barlow had a great article in the Rutland Herald at:

    iBrattleboro blog weaves tangled web

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    "Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on." R.Kennedy