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    Alternative Medicine    
    Wednesday, August 27 2008 @ 08:42 AM GMT+5
    Contributed by: DickMcCarrick

    Sci-TechThe Hippocratic Oath has been one of the guiding principles of the medical profession for well over 2,000 years; a version is still administered to new physicians today. One aspect of the Oath has always struck me as a bit curious, however. It’s the part that reminds doctors to never do harm to anyone (often expressed as “first, do no harm,” although these words do not literally appear within the Oath itself). I’ve always wondered why it was deemed necessary to remind doctors not to harm their patients. Isn’t this sentiment pretty self-evident, akin to asking a fireman to swear “first, start no fires”? I suspect it may at least in part be a reflection of the fact that stretching as far back as the days of Hippocrates, many patients do not always entirely trust the people who treat them.

    Today, that mistrust seems to be a driving force behind the ongoing interest in medications and techniques that collectively are known as alternative medicine. The term itself is rather ambiguous and open to interpretation. I suppose you could define it as non-mainstream medicine, but then we’d have the equally challenging chore of explaining exactly what “mainstream” means. It’s also unclear what to classify under the alternative umbrella. Most people would probably include such things as homeopathy, acupuncture, and therapeutic touch. Others might also add chiropractic, naturopathy, and massage therapy, treatments that are probably considered somewhat more generally accepted by the medical profession. If there’s a general unifying theme within alternative medicine, it may be that these options tend to fall outside the medical establishment, where treatments are based primarily on antibiotics, drugs, surgery, and other “Western” methods.

    Treatments categorized as alternative medicine are many and varied. At least some appear to show sufficient efficacy and promise that they may eventually become more incorporated into the established suite of medical practices and lose the “alternative” label. Others appear more outside widely accepted scientific understanding. And some can only be classified as bizarre. Among these are such disciplines as ear candling, trepanning, and urine therapy (which is exactly what you think it is, a fact that you may not want to contemplate too deeply if you’ve just eaten breakfast).

    In general, alternative medicines and practices have not been subjected to the same rigorous regulatory testing as mainstream options. This has lead to some unsubstantiated claims on the part of promoters of these treatments. Among the most exaggerated are those put forth by Kevin Trudeau, author of the book “Natural Cures ‘They’ Don't Want You to Know About.” Some of Trudeau’s claims are so questionable and irresponsible (such as insisting coral calcium can cure cancer) that lives may have literally been lost following his advice.

    Other more benign (if no less shaky) claims can be seen routinely in TV advertisements touting such things as weight-loss pills and “natural male enhancement.” If you have very sharp eyes and speed reading skills, you may see the following statement flash on the screen just as many of these commercials end: “These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.” Taken literally, this would seem to imply that the treatment just described is absolutely worthless. Others with whom I have discussed this have dismissed this statement by explaining “Oh, that’s just something the government makes the manufacturer put on the label because it hasn’t been FDA tested yet.” Of course, such testing isn’t just a bureaucratic nuisance; it’s also designed to help identify possible health dangers to consumers. Bear in mind that many side effects only reveal themselves after repeated, long-term use. Others only show up when the product is used in conjunction with other medications. Manufacturers may not have the resources (or frankly the motivation) to thoroughly test every new medication in as many ways as possible. Therefore, whenever I see the “not been evaluated” warning, I usually proceed very cautiously before deciding whether or not to use that particular product.

    The more open, less regulated nature of alternative medicine also appears to have fostered several myths. For instance, I’ve seen it claimed that alternative medicines are safer than other treatments. In fact, not long ago I read an article in the Reformer in which practitioners of one school of therapy claimed it produced no side effects at all! On the face of it, this is welcome news to those of us frightened by the laundry list of possible risks we often see listed in association with certain drugs. Of course, virtually all effective medications carry with them some risk or another; the only ones with no side effects likely offer no effects of any kind, positive or negative. To state that one medicine is safer than another is meaningless unless both deliver more or less the same level of efficacy. Distilled water no doubt produces far fewer unpleasant symptoms than chemotherapy, but I suspect few would consider it the “safer” option for cancer patients. Personally, I have seen little evidence that any alternative medicine is both safer and as effective as its mainstream counterpart.

    Another possible myth – one that Kevin Trudeau has made a career of exploiting – is that many safe, effective, and inexpensive cures are being kept from the public by “big pharm” and a stodgy, closed-minded medical establishment too wedded to tired old dogma to recommend anything innovative. It’s probably true that physicians in general tend to stick to tried and true techniques – and well they should; few patients would feel comfortable with a doctor subjecting them to some unproven treatment when a clinically confirmed one is available. And the idea that pharmaceutical companies would deliberately suppress a potentially successful product is just plain silly. If a treatment works, the pharmaceutical companies will be all over themselves offering their own versions. If there’s a buck to be made, someone will make these products and someone else will stock them on shelves. In the world of business, greed trumps tradition every time.

    Overall, the topic of alternative medicine is probably far too broad for me to cover in a single article. In upcoming articles, I’ll be looking at a few of the most popular treatments, discussing the pros and cons of each. But based on fairly extensive study and reading I’ve given the subject over the years, I would recommend avoiding any treatment that its supporters claim cannot be tested in double-blinded studies, or that is based on belief in the supernatural. I would further caution that “natural” doesn’t necessarily mean “better.” After all, arsenic and hemlock are both perfectly natural. And even though I’m a firm believer in “the proof is in the pudding” and that the ultimate test of any treatment is whether or not it actually prevents or cures what it claims to, I turn a skeptical eye to any medication that cannot provide an observable, understandable, and logical explanation for how it works.

    The motivation for seeking alternative medical options is of course very understandable. Health is perhaps the most critical component to one’s quality of life, and many mainstream drugs recommended by physicians are downright scary. But in the end, a medication or treatment needs more that simply to do no harm. It also needs to prove – in an open, unambiguous, consistent, and replicatable way – that it can actually do some good.


    Dick McCarrick
    dmccarrick@vermontel.net

     

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    Alternative Medicine
    Authored by: pjmelton on Wednesday, August 27 2008 @ 09:12 AM GMT+5
    You wrote: "Personally, I have seen little evidence that any alternative medicine is both safer and as effective as its mainstream counterpart."

    I just wanted to point out that much of 'alternative' medicine begins with the premise that you should address the fundamentals - nutrition, exercise, stress relief - before resorting to symptom treatment. It is a different mindset. So, in many cases, alternative medicines do not even have "counterparts" in the mainstream. That is the principle, anyway, though you see plenty of snake oil around!

    I think the trouble with "alternative" medicine is that there is a false dichotomy here, as you pointed out. It includes everything from ground elephant tusks to homeopathic remedies to weight loss pills to the chamomile tea. It's simply not the case that you can divide everything up into black (alternative) and white (mainstream). A lot of mainstream medicines used for symptom relief are just synthetic versions of herbal compounds. I'm guessing that willow bark always worked just as well as aspirin, but it is harder to standardize, so they make it in a lab.

    I have also been intrigued lately by new double-blind studies showing that placebo is just as effective as medicines we have taken for granted for years - including SSRIs and cough medicine. I'm looking forward to reading your articles on this topic.

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    Paula
    Alternative Medicine
    Authored by: DickMcCarrick on Wednesday, August 27 2008 @ 09:53 AM GMT+5
    You have precisely spotted one of the primary issues I see with the whole concept of "alternative medicine." Alternative to what, exactly? This article is at least in part a reaction to blanket thinking to the effect that "alternative medicine is always better," the kind of claim that has helped the likes of Kevin Trudeau grow rich (to the possible detriment to the health of thousands of people). I know many supporters of alternative treatments avoid such rhetoric, but I have encountered it from time to time -- including, I believe, right here on iBrattleboro (which was one of the things that prompted me to write this article).

    This is why I think each treatment method classified as "alternative" probably should be evaluated on its own merits. Some of these look to me as if they're based on at least some scientific validity. Others -- including several that appear to be very popular -- I think are highly questionable. As I mentioned, I'll be examining a few of these in upcoming articles. And knowing how passioantely people often feel about this subject (justifiably so, given that it involves nothing less than health and people's lives) I suspect I better be fully prepared to explain and support anything I have to say.
    Alternative Medicine
    Authored by: gmb on Wednesday, August 27 2008 @ 07:31 PM GMT+5
    Why would big pharma withhold cures from the public? Because more money can be made by keeping people perpetually sick than curing people. It's not because they are a "stodgy, closed-minded medical establishment too wedded to tired old dogma to recommend anything innovative." Big pharma is very innovative. They are busy inventing new ways to poison us.

    There are many quacks in the "alternative"medicine industry but the pharmaceuticals are the biggest scammers of them all.

    I don't think we need to spend too much time worrying about alternative medicine myths . We should be much more concerned about things like new Codex Alimentarius guidelines and the push to limit our access to natural supplements, vitamins, herbs and other unregulated substances.
    Alternative Medicine
    Authored by: P on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 06:36 AM GMT+5
    I'm with gmb on this.
    Alternative Medicine
    Authored by: DickMcCarrick on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 10:32 AM GMT+5
    "Why would big pharma withhold cures from the public? Because more money can be made by keeping people perpetually sick than curing people. It's not because they are a "stodgy, closed-minded medical establishment too wedded to tired old dogma to recommend anything innovative." Big pharma is very innovative. They are busy inventing new ways to poison us.”

    I think this is utterly ridiculous, and in fact borders on paranoia. I find it impossible to believe that there’s some big global conspiracy going on to “poison us” yet somehow millions of doctors everywhere are strangely keeping silent about it. Are they in on the conspiracy too? Do they all want to see us suffer and die in the name of their job security? And government regulators the world over, they’re part of this vast conspiracy I assume? And yet, it’s up to the likes of felon Kevin Trudeau to reveal the truth? Sorry, but I think what you’re suggesting is nothing short of nonsense, and unhealthy nonsense at that.

    “There are many quacks in the ‘alternative’ medicine industry but the pharmaceuticals are the biggest scammers of them all.”

    There’s plenty of nonsense coming from both sides of the medical aisle. However, remedies and treatments that are subject to careful study and regulations tend to be weeded out eventually (either through government action, inefficacy, or in extreme cases lawsuits) while some alternative treatments with no clinically proven effectiveness remain immune thanks to their “not intended to treat or cure” disclaimer.

    “I don't think we need to spend too much time worrying about alternative medicine myths.”

    I could not disagree with you more. People are at best wasting time and money (and at worst suffering needlessly and even dying) following treatment options that can only be described as absolutely worthless. I’ll be devoting several future articles carefully explaining why I think this.

    “We should be much more concerned about things like new Codex Alimentarius guidelines and the push to limit our access to natural supplements, vitamins, herbs and other unregulated substances.”

    How does the Codex Alimentarius limit your access to anything? It’s just a set of non-binding guidelines. Unfortunately for some of the more questionable alternative treatments and medications, the Codex commission insists that theses methods can scientifically prove they can do what they claim. Since many of them can’t, the Codex has become their enemy.
    Alternative Medicine
    Authored by: cgrotke on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 11:01 AM GMT+5
    Pharmaceutical companies are big business, and they are out for
    profits for themselves and shareholders. That has to be part of the
    equation when thinking about them. They do not exist to do no harm.
    They exist to make money.

    Part of that aim is to treat, not cure, illness. Another part is to make
    up marketing efforts to convince people that something is a problem
    that requires their solution. Think male enhancement pills - it's to
    make money, not cure anything at all (and a side effect is blindness,
    no less).

    Some medications developed work, for sure. Some don't. Some
    haven't been tested properly. Some have terrible side effects that are
    downplayed in marketing. Some have gone through testing procedures
    that are inadequate, due to reduced oversight and protections.

    Many of the synthesized products are just attempt to recreate plants,
    and in many cases the plants work better. Aloe is great for small
    burns, for example. It can grow as a houseplant.

    Doctors are not pharmaceutical companies.
    Alternative Medicine
    Authored by: annikee on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 11:18 AM GMT+5
    I'm with Chris, P, and gmb with this.

    Follow the money.

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    "Satisfy, have peace of mind, love your neighbor as your brother."- Richie Furay
    Alternative Medicine
    Authored by: DickMcCarrick on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 12:40 PM GMT+5
    "Follow the money."

    Sounds like a plan. So I can whittle down my search a bit, could you identify those treatments and medications that are offered for free?
    "Alternative" Medicine
    Authored by: annikee on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 12:49 PM GMT+5
    Taken a walk in some woods lately? There's plenty out there, white willow bark, even. Hell, I get free digitalis in the Harmony every year. No paperwork, either. All ya need is a pocket.

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    "Satisfy, have peace of mind, love your neighbor as your brother."- Richie Furay
    "Alternative" Medicine
    Authored by: DickMcCarrick on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 03:56 PM GMT+5
    Sounds good (although I personally don't feel all that qualified to diagnose my own symptoms, perscribe my own medications, go out into the wild and identify which medications to gather and in which doses, etc. etc. -- and this from someone who routinely picks and eats his own wild mushrooms). On the other hand, most of the time when I or someone I know has a significant medical condition or complaint, we usually seek out professional advice and if necessary use professionally prepared treatments, all of which come at a cost. Thus your "follow the money" advice would seem to apply to all such medications, "alternative" or otherwise, except for those few we can gather, correct? And for city dwellers and others who don't have handy access to the woods, this would appear to pretty much cover all readily available treatment options.

    So in the end, "follow the money" may well be good advice. But it applies just as equally to massage therapists and homeopaths as it does to "big pharma" and that ilk. And when money is involved, I feel a lot more comfortable when an outside, independent entity is overseeing things -- which is why I personally prefer treatments and medications that have received FDA approval over "not intended to treat or cure" fine print.
    "Alternative" Medicine
    Authored by: annikee on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 04:57 PM GMT+5
    Yes, but.

    There's no harm in educating yourself about which plants do what in what quantities, which herbs cause contraindictions or cancel each other out (astragalus and St.J'swort, eg.). So what's to keep one from getting an education in this and then having a choice and a lot more knowledge, chemically, of one's own body? I've yet to see you contest what I said in answer to your question, just that you are more correct because you're applying your choice after a major health issue and a research education. And I'm saying, that should one not have major health issues, one can manage one's own minor care, for free -when educated, not when you can't tell an elm from a maple. With enough education, major health issues, too. It depends on how much you want to take responsibility for your body, too. I use a combination of things, and am always working on what works for me.

    And I have in mind the best teacher I know, but she's in NYC. I learned from her 20 years ago; I doubt she knows less now than she did then.

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    "Satisfy, have peace of mind, love your neighbor as your brother."- Richie Furay
    "Alternative" Medicine
    Authored by: annikee on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 05:04 PM GMT+5
    "And for city dwellers and others who don't have handy access to the woods, this would appear to pretty much cover all readily available treatment options." Not really; I supplied my herbs and roots and bark from off the path woods in Central Park all summer and much of the fall... great memories just came to mind. Most NYers and tourists stay entirely on the asphault trails.



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    "Satisfy, have peace of mind, love your neighbor as your brother."- Richie Furay
    "Alternative" Medicine
    Authored by: DickMcCarrick on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 05:36 PM GMT+5
    This may work for you (and a few knowledgeable, like minded individuals). But somehow I don't see 8 million people roaming Central Park in search of relief from headaches and hay fever and all the other ailments to which flesh is heir. And I suspect the NYC Parks Commission might take a somewhat dim view of all those millions of people scraping bark off trees and digging up roots. (And never mind the issue of all the by-products of modern living those roots and bark may have absorbed in NYC.) So I'm sticking by what I said: for the vast majority of people, professional medical advice and professionally prepared medications, for which they must pay, are pretty much the only major options open.
    "Alternative" Medicine
    Authored by: DickMcCarrick on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 05:43 PM GMT+5
    "There's no harm in educating yourself about which plants do what in what quantities, which herbs cause contraindictions or cancel each other out (astragalus and St.J'swort, eg.). So what's to keep one from getting an education in this and then having a choice and a lot more knowledge, chemically, of one's own body? I've yet to see you contest what I said in answer to your question, just that you are more correct because you're applying your choice after a major health issue and a research education. And I'm saying, that should one not have major health issues, one can manage one's own minor care, for free -when educated, not when you can't tell an elm from a maple. With enough education, major health issues, too. It depends on how much you want to take responsibility for your body, too. I use a combination of things, and am always working on what works for me."

    I'm not contesting this -- in fact I wholeheartedly agree. Prevention is the best cure, after all. And there's nothing wrong with learning how to avoid needing medications of any type, alternative or otherwise. It's just not the subject of this article. I would also add that no matter how careful and knowledgeable you are, there may come a time when you need medical treatment and remedies that you just can't gather and/or adminsiter on your own.
    "Alternative" Medicine
    Authored by: annikee on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 06:25 PM GMT+5
    And there may come a rime when you can't go to a dr., get a scrip and go to the drug store, too.

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    "Satisfy, have peace of mind, love your neighbor as your brother."- Richie Furay
    "Alternative" Medicine
    Authored by: DickMcCarrick on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 07:09 PM GMT+5
    "And there may come a rime when you can't go to a dr., get a scrip and go to the drug store, too."

    If that day ever comes, I suspect discussions such as whether or not homeopathy is more effective than conventional cures will be the least of our worries!
    Alternative Medicine
    Authored by: DickMcCarrick on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 12:33 PM GMT+5
    To be sure, doctors are not drug companies. But the suggestion has been made that they are complicit in poisoning their patients, since through their training they would immediately recognize any treatment option that would be harmful. Thus their silence can only be explained two ways: (1) They are part of the conspiracy, or (2) the conspiracy itself is nonsense. And of course, there's government regulators the world over, who are apparently standing by while poisons are being sold as medications. Part of the consipracy too?

    Of course "big pharma" is in it for the money. So is "small pharma" and all those who offer any type of medical treatment, from Pfizer down to the local massage therapist. There's nothing wrong with that, so long as all of them adhere to certain standards of efficacy and risk identification. This is why treatment options need to be thoroughly tested by independent research laboratories that use scientific, replicatable methods such as double-blind testing. Those that do may come with some rather frightening side effects -- but at least they've been identified, and consumers can make decisions accordingly. Those that don't hide behind that all-forgiving "not intended to treat or cure" disclaimer, so who knowns what you might be getting? Sorry, I just don't have that kind of faith in words like "natural," however pleasant an image they might otherwise conjour.
    Alternative Medicine
    Authored by: pjmelton on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 01:41 PM GMT+5
    I am curious about the number of people who have died or been seriously harmed by herbal medications relative to the number who have died or been seriously harmed by conventional medicine. I'm also wondering how many people have gone bankrupt because they couldn't pay for their homeopathic remedies. I am looking forward to your future articles on the topic because I am hoping you will address these questions. I don't mean them rhetorically.

    I am all for objective, skeptical inquiry into alternative medicine. And I don't think there is a conspiracy to poison us. However, it is possible that the medical industry as a whole has - and, yes, sells - assumptions about sickness and health that aren't necessarily that good for people.

    Also, I don't think human bodies are standard, so a process of standardization is bound to result in some medications having wildly different effects on different people. In alternative medicine, as practiced by a professional herbalist, for example, prescriptions can be more finely tailored. I guess I see good and bad in both sides here, but even by saying that I am falling into the false dichotomy I so despise in these discussions.

    Who benefits from and furthers this dichotomy? That would be an interesting topic to address as well.

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    Paula
    Alternative Medicine
    Authored by: DickMcCarrick on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 05:12 PM GMT+5
    "I am curious about the number of people who have died or been seriously harmed by herbal medications relative to the number who have died or been seriously harmed by conventional medicine. I'm also wondering how many people have gone bankrupt because they couldn't pay for their homeopathic remedies. I am looking forward to your future articles on the topic because I am hoping you will address these questions. I don't mean them rhetorically."

    These are interesting questions, but they lead to other, arguably more important questions I think. For example, herbal medications may be safer than some conventional treatments, but that fact is meaningless unless herbal medicines can be proven to be as effective as as conventional medicines -- a point I attempted to make when in my article I compared distilled water to chemotherapy. Similarly, homeopathic remedies (or any others), however inexpensive, are no bargain unless they actually work -- a topic I indeed intend to address in future articles. As I mentioned in closing my article above, "do no harm" is all well and fine, but isn't sufficient to recommend a treatment option -- said option must also demonstrate it can do good.


    "I am all for objective, skeptical inquiry into alternative medicine. And I don't think there is a conspiracy to poison us."

    Great -- me too!


    "However, it is possible that the medical industry as a whole has - and, yes, sells - assumptions about sickness and health that aren't necessarily that good for people."

    I have absolutely no doubt that this happens. We may not entirely agree, however, on which side of the "alternative" fence the guilties parties reside. Future articles (and discussions) may explore this further, something to which I'm looking forward.


    "Also, I don't think human bodies are standard, so a process of standardization is bound to result in some medications having wildly different effects on different people."

    Which is a very compelling argument for FDA approval for any remedy or treatment option.


    "In alternative medicine, as practiced by a professional herbalist, for example, prescriptions can be more finely tailored."

    This should happen irrespective of the treatment given. No good doctor should treat all patients equally. And it certainly doesn't follow that conventional treatments can only be administered in indivisible packets. Different dosages can be perscribed to different patients.


    "I guess I see good and bad in both sides here, but even by saying that I am falling into the false dichotomy I so despise in these discussions.

    Who benefits from and furthers this dichotomy? That would be an interesting topic to address as well."

    I'm not sure what you mean by "false dichotomy."
    Alternative Medicine
    Authored by: annikee on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 05:33 PM GMT+5
    "And it certainly doesn't follow that conventional treatments can only be administered in indivisible packets." Not true. Drugs are made in standard dosages. If, for example, a person's perfect dose of Cymbalta was 40mg/per day, they couldn't get it. It somes in capsule form, in 30mg increments. That's how the pharma makes them. You don't get it in 5mg increments.


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    "Satisfy, have peace of mind, love your neighbor as your brother."- Richie Furay
    Alternative Medicine
    Authored by: DickMcCarrick on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 05:47 PM GMT+5
    Can't agree. As a very simple example, I have the choice of taking one aspirin or two. On a more complex level, doctors certainly have options as to what level of dosages to administer tor which patients in which situations. If you're implying that all patients get exaclty the same dosages in all instances, I simply do not believe that's true.
    Alternative Medicine
    Authored by: annikee on Friday, August 29 2008 @ 07:17 AM GMT+5
    Then you must not have a lot of experience with docs and prescriptions, Dick. What I stated is fact, not something to agree or disagree with- you take meds in the amounts they come in. You may take so little it makes little diff, or enough to kill you, but you don't customize the way they're issued by pharmas.

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    "Satisfy, have peace of mind, love your neighbor as your brother."- Richie Furay
    Alternative Medicine
    Authored by: DickMcCarrick on Friday, August 29 2008 @ 04:37 PM GMT+5
    There's no good way to say this, other than you are incorrect -- or at best, you are seriously misunderstanding what I'm saying. My point -- which I'll state for the last time, because I'm simply repeating myself here, and I really can't make it any clearer than this -- is that doctors don't perscibe the same amount of meds for all patients in all circumstances. And yes, this is in MY personal experience, and my family's. And to claim otherwise is not accurate. I'll go even further: a lot of over-the-counter medications give you all sorts of dosage options (take one or two tables every four to six hours, and that sort of thing). There's plenty of flexibility, even at that lavel.
    Alternative Medicine
    Authored by: annikee on Friday, August 29 2008 @ 05:18 PM GMT+5
    Finally you make your point! Allelujah, no. Doctors do not prescribe the same amounts to all patients. BUT you ARE prescribed all medications (chosen by you and your doc) by what the pharmas produce in their products. Can you not get my point? Have I not given you enough examples, in that 5 mg increments aren't made? How am I incorrect? You continue to miss the point I'm making.

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    "Satisfy, have peace of mind, love your neighbor as your brother."- Richie Furay
    Alternative Medicine
    Authored by: DickMcCarrick on Friday, August 29 2008 @ 05:54 PM GMT+5
    "Finally you make your point! Allelujah, no. Doctors do not prescribe the same amounts to all patients."

    "Finally"?? Aw c'mon Annikee, aren't you being just a tad harsh? It's the same point I've been making all along -- using pretty much the same words I might add. I figured it was a misunderstanding, because the point I was attempting to make was so basic and verifiable. Shucks, just to be sure I wasn't losing it I just went to my medicine cabinet. Sure enough, the first few medications I chose at random (right down to the Gummy Bears!) all had variious dosage options, including amounts and timing.


    "BUT you ARE prescribed all medications (chosen by you and your doc) by what the pharmas produce in their products. Can you not get my point?"

    I get it -- and 100% agree! I never intended to imply otherwise. I was just trying to point out that the medications you get do have some dosage flexibility in many instances.


    "Have I not given you enough examples, in that 5 mg increments aren't made? How am I incorrect?"

    I have no qualms with that statement. My disagreement actually stems from your apparent initial disagreement with *my* point regarding dosage options.


    "You continue to miss the point I'm making."

    I think we both missed each other's point. Hopefully we're back on the same wavelength now!
    Alternative Medicine
    Authored by: annikee on Friday, August 29 2008 @ 08:19 PM GMT+5
    Jeez, I'm glad that's done. That was painful.

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    "Satisfy, have peace of mind, love your neighbor as your brother."- Richie Furay
    Alternative Medicine
    Authored by: DickMcCarrick on Friday, August 29 2008 @ 09:11 PM GMT+5
    "That was painful"

    Nothing that a couple of aspirin...oops, I mean some willow bark, won't fix.
    Alternative Medicine
    Authored by: annikee on Friday, August 29 2008 @ 10:59 PM GMT+5
    2 TBLSP dried cut bark, steeped 5 minutes in a pint of boiling water. Or 2 aspirin. Unless you take NSAIDs/anti-inflammatories. :)

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    "Satisfy, have peace of mind, love your neighbor as your brother."- Richie Furay
    False dichotomy
    Authored by: pjmelton on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 07:30 PM GMT+5
    "I'm not sure what you mean by 'false dichotomy'."

    I mean the black-and-white distinction between alternative and conventional medicine. It is not really an either/or. And neither "alternative" nor "conventional" medicine is a definable, monolithic thing.

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    Paula
    False dichotomy
    Authored by: DickMcCarrick on Friday, August 29 2008 @ 06:50 AM GMT+5
    "I mean the black-and-white distinction between alternative and conventional medicine. It is not really an either/or. And neither "alternative" nor "conventional" medicine is a definable, monolithic thing."

    Once again, we're in full agreement. As I explained early in my article, not only are the terms "alternative" and "conventional" ambiguous, it's also unclear which treatments to classify under which category, because there's plenty of gray area. But people do often think and talk about these terms when discussing medical options in general, so they cannot be entirely ignored either. This article isn't intended to precisely define what "alternative" means. Instead, I am hoping to provide a basic framework for further articles that talk about specific treatment programs.
    How to become better educated on this topic
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 11:44 AM GMT+5
    I highly recommend two books be read by those wishing to better
    understand what is going on in this country and what can be done to
    fix the problems, while at the same time not throwing the baby (the
    good) out with the bathwater:

    1. "The Truth About the Drug Companies: How They Deceive Us And
    What To Do About It" by Marcia Angell, MD

    2. "A Second Opinion: Rescuing America’s Health Care: A Plan for
    Universal Coverage Serving Patients Over Profit" by Arnold S. Relman,
    M.D.

    Dr. Angell has done extensive research into "Big Pharma" and Dr.
    Relman has been following American health care since he first
    practiced medicine, in the late 1940s. He's literally seen the history of
    change and has been an active promoter of better health care for all
    Americans.
    How to become better educated on this topic
    Authored by: DickMcCarrick on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 12:37 PM GMT+5
    ...and for an extremely thorough, well-researched, and well-referenced tour of many alternative medical treatments, see http://www.skepdic.com/tialtmed.html. Unlike some such as Kevin Trudeau who write alarmist books in an effort to make some money off of people's unfounded fears, the above site is free and offered solely as a public service.
    How to become better educated on this topic
    Authored by: spinoza on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 01:40 PM GMT+5
    When I was young I recall participating in an ongoing and fevered debate- who was the better Centerfielder- Willie Mays or Mickey Mantle. I remember certain didactic episodes and evidentary hearings ending in bloody lips and noses. Later in the debate, along came Bill James and his Baseball Abstract. He examined the question from every possible yardstick( Runs, Slugging Pctg, who hit into more double plays with the game on the line...etc). Whether driven by hometown gang pressure, or active denial of James' empirical conclusions, I'd say the faithful remain secure in their convictions.

    Similar waters are tread here. And while we speak of Similars... If you intend to delve deeply into the Law of Similars(Homeopathy) be sure to review the works of a preeminent medical historian, Harris Coulter.

    http://www.homeopathyhome.com/reference/articles/coultrev.shtml

    Here's a clip from a review of his book 'Divided Legacy'

    ...In the end, believes Coulter, Empiricism and Rationalism are contrasting ways of organizing medical services with vastly different economic consequences. So are there answers? What Harris proposes as a first step is the repeal of the Medical Practice Acts on which Rationalism's monopoly of power is founded. "Rationalism cannot be considered a science." Such a recommendation suddenly brings one back to our shared reality. True, it would shake the very foundations of the medical system. But to DO IT would require an uprising by the populace on the scale of the American Revolution.

    A dose of practical reality wouldn't hurt either
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 02:31 PM GMT+5
    Rather than confront reality, or attempt to reinvent the wheel,
    wouldn't it make more sense for the struggling middle class and poor
    in this country if we boosted funding for medical research (peer-
    reviewed science also in things like global warming as well) and tried
    to extend preventive professional medical care to all citizens? All this
    mumbo-jumbo about water-cures and witch doctors isn't going to help
    those who are in need of real medical care. Providing nutritious school
    breakfasts and lunches to the poor in our public schools would be
    another good idea, along with what JFK advocated: physical exercise.
    These common sense approaches to the problem would go a long way
    toward making us less paranoid and more rational, like the Europeans
    are, about health care.

    Heavier-than-air, human powered flight is also a result of scientific
    testing, but you don't see people looking for "alternatives" to this.
    They just get into an airplane and pay to be carried, no questions
    about the "science" of flight asked. If something works, keep using it.
    If it causes harm, change the cure. But don't rush into early Cro-
    Magnon or Aztec thinking as a way to "ditch modern science" just to
    be "hip" or "alternative". That's ridiculous!
    A dose of practical reality wouldn't hurt either
    Authored by: DickMcCarrick on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 05:44 PM GMT+5
    In a word, yes.
    Alternative Medicine
    Authored by: babalu on Thursday, August 28 2008 @ 05:20 PM GMT+5
    I think that the description of "natural" needs to be tossed for a few reasons; first of all, everything comes from the earth - the computer I'm using right now and the tomato I just picked from the garden. Maybe "unadulterated" would be a more fitting description of what is meant by "natural". There's nothing "unnatural", for example, with aluminum foil.

    On the topic of the home cure; I once took some advice from a neighbor and gathered up some jewel weed to treat my son's poison ivy - the instructions were to just break the stem and rub the juice that oozed out, onto the affected area of his skin. Well, a few hours later and a trip to the emergency room, my son was feeling just fine; that was after an injection of cortizone to counteract the reaction of his skin and underlying tissue to the jewel weed; his arm had swelled up to twice it's size and he was in some serious pain.

    On the other hand, traditional medicine has also made us worse off for the effort; I can name some fairly serious examples that I won't go into in detail; except to say it was all very expensive, some of it life threatening, and none of it remedial by any stretch of the imagination.

    There's no such thing as "safe" when it comes to either manner of a search for treatment. Think of it in terms of food tolerance - a peanut can quickly kill one person but not another. The same is true for each type of therapy - whether based in traditional medicine or not. Turns out my son was as allergic to penicillin as he had been to the juices of the jewel weed. What's a person to do, then?

    What I really dislike about the pharmaceuticals is that so many of the medicines they make cause such a long list of side effects that the cure ends up worse than the disease. Off label use is common and leaves me to wonder what the goal or focus originally was - and how is it that the off label use becomes so popular for these medications - if a drug was developed for ailment X - how does it come to be that it's suddenly known as a treatment for ailment Z unless it was never taken seriously to begin with?

    It's all scary business to me.




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