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    Mr. President, They Did Not Die For Us When Killing Vietnamese in Khe Sahn, Vietnam    
    Saturday, January 24 2009 @ 05:48 AM GMT+4
    Contributed by: jay janson

    ActivismDear President Obama,

    In your inaugural address you said, "For us, they fought and died in places like Concord and Gettysburg, Normandy and Khe Sahn"

    Mr. President, beg to correct. They did not die for us, or anyone else, while they were killing Vietnamese in Khe Sahn, Vietnam! They were shaming us and their country. And afterwards, most veterans were angry for having been deceived.

    You will remember, when, during the Democratic debates, your elder, Senator Gravel, stated emphatically, "Our soldiers in Vietnam died in vain, and today they are dying in in vain in Iraq."

    Martin Luther King Jr. was surely assassinated for condemning the Vietnam War as a long atrocity within a murderous foreign policy all around the world. So testified a young John Kerry, and Muhammad Ali gave up his title to do the right thing refusing to go.

    Mr. President, if America is to change in the future, don't Americans have to be honest about their past. As President-elect, you praised an appointee for having "served his country in Vietnam"? Mr. President, three million Vietnamese died in their own country, many killed in their very own homes. Why praise participation in that imperialist war on an innocent colonial people that had looked up their American ally against the Japanese?

    Yours truly, was during eight years in the 1990s, Assistant Conductor of the Vietnam Symphony Orchestra in Hanoi and on tour - playing all four Brahms symphonies, and Beethoven, Prokovieff, Shostakovitch, Haydn, Mozart, Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninov, both Chopin concertos with the only Asian winner of the Moscow Tchaikovsky Piano Competition, Dan Tai-son, who practiced for it in a Hanoi bomb shelter.

    Every musician in the orchestra lost family, "killed by the Americans,"they would answer simply, with Buddhist un-accusing acceptance.

    The orchestra was founded by Ho Chi Minh, and it plays most of its concerts in the Opera House, a diminutive copy of the Paris Opera, where in 1945, our ally Ho, from a balcony overlooking the large square and flanked by an American Major and a British Colonel, declared Vietnam independent.

    Next October, the New York Philharmonic will perform in this Hanoi concert hall.

    Mr. President, what kind of a message were you sending to the Vietnamese in your mentioning the dying in Vietnam was for America? You know we dropped double the tonnage of all the bombs dropped in World War Two on them.

    The President did not say they died for us in Fujulla, Iraq, because candidate Obama bravely spoke out against that horrible war ordered by Bush and supported by Senator Clinton.

    Would like to hope that calling attention to Khe Sahn, Vietnam in the President's speech was an oversight, but this praise of the Vietnam war comes right after his silence at the slaughter of the six hundred children of Gaza by American made bombs and planes.

    Would that the president could make use of the continuing support of Veterans For Peace. There is a lot of apprehension of your possibly continuing a belligerent foreign policy due to the record of various cabinet members.

    We will see a change in the government's bloody foreign policies, when enough citizens feel properly guilty for their nation's crimes against humanity, put themselves in shoes of the bereaved families of Koreans, Vietnamese, Laotians, Cambodians, Iraqis and Afghanis, Panamanians. Could we even imagine such bombings upon US towns and countryside? We can improve the whole world and ourselves with such imagination, or at least take serious their individual portion of the collective accountability, responsibility for the actions of their government in its unlawful use of America's military power in their name.

    That is what we enshrined in the Nuremberg trials. We held Germans responsible and the Germans benefited greatly from accepting responsibility

    Appreciative of your promises, and expecting your help,
    At your service - faithfully,

    jay janson, Veterans For Peace

    http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/60358.html

    Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2009 at 2:22 PM

    Source: OpEdNews (1-21-09)

    [Jay Janson: Musician and writer, who has lived and worked on all the continents and whose articles on media have been published in China, Italy, England and the US, and now resides in New York City.]

     

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  • Mr. President, They Did Not Die For Us When Killing Vietnamese in Khe Sahn, Vietnam | 10 comments | Create New Account
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    Mr. President, They Did Not Die For Us When Killing Vietnamese in Khe Sahn, Vietnam
    Authored by: SpudHill on Saturday, January 24 2009 @ 03:58 PM GMT+4
    Since those soldiers who fought and died in Viet Nam were most often drafted couldn't one argue that they did die for "us" in that they were, right or wrong, sent to Viet Nam not asked to go and often went against their will. That isn't saying that why we were in Viet Nam was in any way correct or moral but those US soldiers who died there did essentially die for the US as they were conscripted and sent. I think you're overreaching here....nothing was said about Viet Nam being okay, just an acknowledgment that many young soldiers died there.
    Mr. President, They Did Not Die For Us When Killing Vietnamese in Khe Sahn, Vietnam
    Authored by: annikee on Saturday, January 24 2009 @ 05:19 PM GMT+4
    It strikes me as a bit revisionist to say they didn't die for us in Vietnam. If the USA gummit is us, then they did. People don't seem to remember that the majority of the US people did Not participate in the AntiWar Movement. A significant number did, but no near the majority. It was not a popular war, but neither was there the 70% majority against it that there is to the Iraq invasion. And so, in that light, I would say they did die for us. They may not have died for you, nor me, but "us", in that time? Yes.

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    We have overcome.
    Mr. President, They Did Not Die For Us When Killing Vietnamese in Khe Sahn, Vietnam
    Authored by: SpudHill on Saturday, January 24 2009 @ 07:09 PM GMT+4
    Also many who were in the service opposed the war...the first anti-war organization formed at my college was started by a young man who had returned after serving in Viet Nam. There are so many now who forget that this was not a volunteer army, that most were drafted. As was my Vietnamese friend who attended college here but was refused further visas after graduation and so had to return to Viet Nam and was immediately drafted into the South Vietnamese army. No one ever heard from him after that.
    Mr. President, They Did Not Die For Us When Killing Vietnamese in Khe Sahn, Vietnam
    Authored by: javanyet on Saturday, January 24 2009 @ 07:21 PM GMT+4
    Gee, why don't you email him and correct him, instead of posting on sites that have no connection to the White House? Could it be that you're more interested in impressing strangers?

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    "No guts, no glory."
    Bette Davis
    Mr. President, They Did Not Die For Us When Killing Vietnamese in Khe Sahn, Vietnam
    Authored by: SkiDoc on Saturday, January 24 2009 @ 07:45 PM GMT+4
    Jay Janson's comment is beyond "revisionist." It is cruelly ignorant. When a U.S. soldier is called by his country to serve (drafted or not) it is to serve (and potentially die) on behalf of all of us - even for all the hippies, deadbeats, and draft dodgers who eventually colonized Brattleboro. For those of us who served, your comment is repugnant. On this matter, the "messiah" is right on point!
    Mr. President, They Did Not Die For Us When Killing Vietnamese in Khe Sahn, Vietnam
    Authored by: SpudHill on Saturday, January 24 2009 @ 07:51 PM GMT+4
    But I find your comment just as repugnant...many of my friends who served eventually were those same hippies you find so distasteful. Was their service less honorable than those who went on to become more conventional people in their late 20s. I think not.
    Mr. President, They Did Not Die For Us When Killing Vietnamese in Khe Sahn, Vietnam
    Authored by: SkiDoc on Saturday, January 24 2009 @ 08:07 PM GMT+4
    Quick fifth-grade reading lesson:
    1. Nothing in my comment declares hippies et al as "distasteful."
    2. A close reading of my comment shows no exclusion of respect for any member of our armed services.
    Mr. President, They Did Not Die For Us When Killing Vietnamese in Khe Sahn, Vietnam
    Authored by: SpudHill on Saturday, January 24 2009 @ 08:18 PM GMT+4
    "even for all the hippies, deadbeats, and draft dodgers who eventually colonized Brattleboro. "

    You're going to try and tell me that this comment doesn't reek of distaste?
    Mr. President, They Did Not Die For Us When Killing Vietnamese in Khe Sahn, Vietnam
    Authored by: SpudHill on Saturday, January 24 2009 @ 08:22 PM GMT+4
    Quick sixth-grade reading lesson:

    Always keep in mind that your reader might be bright enough to see through your thinly veiled nuances and capture your true meaning.

    Quick seventh-grade reading lesson:

    Always keep in mind that your reader might call you on your not too subtle attempts to demonize others.

    Quick adult reading lesson to both you and Jay:

    Keep in mind that there is often not a black and white, right or wrong position in warfare and that many suffer whether north or south, left or right and all suffering is to be honored and this is why one should never go to war on a whim, on a wing and a prayer or out of a misdirected desire for revenge.
    Mr. President, They Did Not Die For Us When Killing Vietnamese in Khe Sahn, Vietnam
    Authored by: spoon on Saturday, January 24 2009 @ 08:48 PM GMT+4
    I agree with Spud hill that jayjanson is "overreaching." But not because JJ isn't correct. He is absolutely correct. But he has to keep in mind that Obama is not the messiah. He is a very intelligent, generally well-informed, unusually mature and somewhat left of center political animal that has managed with great skill and mind boggling amounts of work and determination to get himself elected as President of the US. But he is still young (no personal memories of the Vietnam War, he was only eleven when it largely ended). He is also, it seems, a capitalist. He is also in a position that requires either deadly heavy-handedness or quintessential political skills. This was his inauguration speech and he is trying to somehow impress everyone at the same time. And this is what he has to do or his hands will end up tied. I fully agree that there a more than enough legitimate reasons to not invoke the names of all our recent wars (and the US seems to be almost continually at war but that's another discussion) in the same breath. Vietnam is and will be remembered for the imperialist campaign that it was. On the other hand Obama has by no means damned himself with that particular line of political oratory. The are many similarities too between all those wars. The killing and inhumanity, the devastation and incalculable suffering. The atrocities, the loyalties, the dedication and commitment for all different reasons and the battlefield hardships, horrors and heroism.

    In a way it is a good thing that you reminded us all of these realities. I think the beef is that it could have been couched in more poignant and less strident words.

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