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    Leahy's Truth and Reconciliation Commission    
    Tuesday, February 10 2009 @ 02:21 PM GMT+4
    Contributed by: cgrotke

    PoliticsVermont made a bit of news last night during President Obama's first prime time press conference. The Huffington Post asked him about Senator Leahy's remarks about investigating the last 8 years of governing to find out what went wrong.

    Obama gave his standard answer - that no one is above the law, but that in general he wants to look forward. So maybe some are above the law. Or not. We'll see. Maybe.

    Below is the transcript of Senator Leahy speaking about a Truth and Reconciliation Commission. It was part of his 2009 Marver Bernstein Lecture on the Senate Judiciary Committee's Agenda in the 111th Congress.

    .......

    "...As to the best course of action for bringing a reckoning for the actions of the past eight years, there has been heated disagreement. There are some who resist any effort to investigate the misdeeds of the recent past. Indeed, some Republican Senators tried to extract a devil’s bargain from the Attorney General nominee in exchange for their votes, a commitment that he would not prosecute for anything that happened on President Bush’s watch. That is a pledge no prosecutor should give, and Eric Holder did not, but because he did not, it accounts for many of the partisan votes against him.

    There are others who say that, even if it takes all of the next eight years, divides this country, and distracts from the necessary priority of fixing the economy, we must prosecute Bush administration officials to lay down a marker. Of course, the courts are already considering congressional subpoenas that have been issued and claims of privilege and legal immunities – and they will be for some time.

    There is another option that we might also consider, a middle ground. A middle ground to find the truth. We need to get to the bottom of what happened -- and why -- so we make sure it never happens again.

    One path to that goal would be a reconciliation process and truth commission. We could develop and authorize a person or group of people universally recognized as fair minded, and without axes to grind. Their straightforward mission would be to find the truth. People would be invited to come forward and share their knowledge and experiences, not for purposes of constructing criminal indictments, but to assemble the facts. If needed, such a process could involve subpoena powers, and even the authority to obtain immunity from prosecutions in order to get to the whole truth. Congress has already granted immunity, over my objection, to those who facilitated warrantless wiretaps and those who conducted cruel interrogations. It would be far better to use that authority to learn the truth.

    During the past several years, this country has been divided as deeply as it has been at any time in our history since the Civil War. It has made our government less productive and our society less civil. President Obama is right that we cannot afford extreme partisanship and debilitating divisions. In this week when we begin commemorating the Lincoln bicentennial, there is need, again, “to bind up the nation’s wounds.” President Lincoln urged that course in his second inaugural address some seven score and four years ago.

    Rather than vengeance, we need a fair-minded pursuit of what actually happened. Sometimes the best way to move forward is getting to the truth, finding out what happened, so we can make sure it does not happen again. When I came to the Senate, the Church Committee was working to expose the excesses of an earlier era. Its work helped ensure that in years to come, we did not repeat the mistakes of the past. We need to think about whether we have arrived at such a time, again. We need to come to a shared understanding of the failures of the recent past.

    It is something to be considered. It is something Professor Bernstein, for whom this lecture series is named, might have found worth studying. We need to see whether there is interest in Congress and the new administration. We would need to work through concerns about classified information and claims of executive privilege. Most of all, we need to see whether the American people are ready to take this path.

    Edmund Burke said that law and arbitrary power are eternal enemies. Arbitrary power is a powerful, corrosive force in a democracy. Two years ago I described the scandals at the Bush-Cheney-Gonzales Justice Department as the worst since Watergate. They were. We are still digging out from the debris they left behind. Now we face the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression while still contending with national security threats around the world. This extraordinary time cries out for the American people to come together, as we did after 9/11, and as we have done before when we faced difficult challenges.

    That is no more improbable than the truth that came to light and laid the foundation for reconciliation in South Africa, or in Greensboro, North Carolina; no more improbable than the founding of this Nation; and certainly no more improbable than the journey the people of this Nation took over the last year with a young man whose mother was from Kansas and whose father was from an African village half a world away."

     

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    Leahy's Truth and Reconciliation Commission
    Authored by: Christian Avard on Tuesday, February 10 2009 @ 02:36 PM GMT+4
    I thought Obama pretty much was saying no to Leahy's idea. Especially
    with the "we can't look back in order to move forward" line. Maybe I'm
    wrong. But I hope that quote woke up activists to get cracking, especially
    since Leahy just opened a door to getting something accomplished. All
    things in Washington happen at a snail's pace. Time to get working or
    else this wont' see the light of day, much like everything else does in
    Washington.

    ---

    "A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory." - Steven Wright, comedian

    Leahy's Truth and Reconciliation Commission
    Authored by: SpudHill on Tuesday, February 10 2009 @ 04:42 PM GMT+4
    I didn't read it that way at all.
    I think it would have been incredibly foolish for him to respond any other way than as he did to the question. Obama is not a foolish man. I think time will tell what he intends to do on this score and maybe Buddy Love is correct but I'm pretty sure a decision wouldn't be made until careful reflection...careful reflection...wow what a novel approach.
    Punish the South for Insubordination?
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Tuesday, February 10 2009 @ 03:06 PM GMT+4
    In early 1865 as the war wound to a close, most supporters of the
    Union were dismayed by Lincoln's attitude that "tis better to forgive
    than to punish and seek revenge" for what the South had done:
    broken from the Union and caused the North to lose the cream of
    young adults in the process, and cost the nation millions and millions
    of dollars on top of that for war that could have been avoided. The
    abolitionist radicals were especially incensed: Why not punish the
    South and make Jefferson Davis and his cabinet, not to mention
    generals like Lee and Longstreet, criminals to be prosecuted for what
    they did?

    Lincoln's argument was that if we were ever to move ahead and heal
    the wounds, we should try as much as possible to forgive and let the
    former enemies rejoin the nation. His attitude was one of
    reconciliation and progress toward improvement, toward making
    former slaves free, toward rebuilding the South and helping the
    people.

    I wonder if this was what Obama was thinking about when asked why
    he didn't punish the Bush/Cheney crowd?
    Punish the South for Insubordination?
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Tuesday, February 10 2009 @ 03:47 PM GMT+4
    I should add one thing to what I said above:

    If Obama were to set up something like what was done in South
    Africa when the old rulers of apartheid were overthrown, that might be
    something workable. But if all we do is punish the evildoers Bush and
    Cheney, and not fix the economic problems we face, by distraction,
    then we are a bunch of people in the poorhouse, without jobs, with an
    ever warming planet, but with revenge/justice for those who were in
    power before us. Like Watergate distracted us from alternative energy
    in the seventies, this could drag on and on, and we will all die from
    the other problems like global warming.
    Lest we forget.
    Authored by: tomaidh on Tuesday, February 10 2009 @ 04:49 PM GMT+4
    Lincoln was assassinated and the subsequent policies called "Reconstruction" punished the South for nearly 100 years.
    Lest we forget.
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Tuesday, February 10 2009 @ 05:01 PM GMT+4
    Yes, but the LAST thing Lincoln would have wanted was to have his
    successor, Andrew Johnson, punish the South after his assassination, as
    Johnson and his cronies did. Your case in defense of Andrew Johnson's
    "hard ball" policies after Lincoln's death only serves to back up my point
    for more reconciliation and moving forward. There will be a time for a
    legal review of Bush and Cheney, but stopping everything and focusing
    on it now is a foolishly misguided expenditure of practical political
    resources. A little Gadhian patience would be wise for now, while we
    save the people who lost jobs and who can't afford to wait.
    Lest we forget.
    Authored by: Christian Avard on Tuesday, February 10 2009 @ 05:06 PM GMT+4
    Good response Heir Buddy Love. Although I still think hard looks and
    accountability does have a meaningful purpose. It won't be pretty to
    face, but that's exactly what happened in South Africa. Look where it is
    today. Black South Africans can vote, Mandella was released, and a
    republic of South Africa was created. Now a truth and reconciliation won't
    deliver those kinds of things, but if this democracy is to survive, then the
    president and his administration has to do the work. Some of life's best
    lessons and learned through painful times. This is one of them.

    ---

    "A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory." - Steven Wright, comedian

    Leahy's Truth and Reconciliation Commission
    Authored by: annikee on Tuesday, February 10 2009 @ 03:10 PM GMT+4
    "Obama gave his standard answer - that no one is above the law, but that in general he wants to look forward. So maybe some are above the law. Or not. We'll see. Maybe."

    You nailed the whole Obama outlook and his administration so far there. A Maybe. I know, he's only in there a couple of weeks, and he's cautious. But nothing, so far, looks promising.



    ---
    ".. failure of an ideal..is harder for the world to forgive and forget than.. the grand swindles of corrupt politicians" LM Alcott
    Leahy's Truth and Reconciliation Commission
    Authored by: SpudHill on Tuesday, February 10 2009 @ 04:40 PM GMT+4
    Yes, "he's only been in there a couple of weeks"

    Seems to me that his primary focus, and rightly so, is on the economic picture right now. Also as a lawyer he's smart enough not to put his cards on the table before he knows what's in the deck.

    I think a wait and see approach is best....seems to me he's appointed an attorney general who hasn't exactly minced words about how he feels about some of the past administrations actions.

    The man has inherited a mess on all accounts...seems to me he could use a "few" more weeks...remember patience is a virtue.

    We had a president for 8 years who did nothing but let things crumble. unless you want to count his "going" to war. It seems to me that Obama has actually achieved a lot in the few weeks he's been in office.

    First things First
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Tuesday, February 10 2009 @ 04:54 PM GMT+4
    I agree with Spudhill on this one.

    Obama has to put out the house that is on fire before he goes after the
    arsonist who lit it ablaze. If he were to drop the water hose and go try to
    grab the arsonist, while he was tackling the guy, the house would burn
    down and he'd have wasted valuable time that could have been spent
    saving the people in the burning house and their possessions. FDR used
    the "lend your neighbor a hose" analogy to explain Lend Lease to
    skeptical middle America, so I'm borrowing from his tactics to explain
    my case for stimulus first, review of criminality/punishment later on.
    two words
    Authored by: spinoza on Tuesday, February 10 2009 @ 04:57 PM GMT+4
    warren commission
    two words: Hell NO
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Tuesday, February 10 2009 @ 05:04 PM GMT+4
    Warren Commission?? Please God, NO. That whitewash served only to
    cover up Brown & Root's, CIA's and LBJ's complicity in the assassination.
    Almost 50 years old, the Warren Commission Report has been held in
    doubt by most clear thinking Americans who have access to the facts.
    http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

    Let's not have a Warren Commission cover up of what happened under
    Bush.
    two words: Hell NO
    Authored by: spinoza on Tuesday, February 10 2009 @ 05:51 PM GMT+4
    that's my point. does anyone think a government commission would actually get to the bottom of, and expose, government crimes?
    two words: Hell NO
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Tuesday, February 10 2009 @ 06:08 PM GMT+4
    My, I didn't mean to be THAT cynical. After all, what about the
    "government convention" that put together our Constitution, in the
    summer of 1787? I guess, as Gaeton Fonzi (served on the Committee
    investigating JFK's assassination in the seventies) said, a review is
    necessary, but it has to have the right people, and must be transparently
    clear so that citizens can follow its progress. There cannot be an FBI or
    CIA ceiling or attempt to railroad it. We could call it the "when monkeys
    fly out of our collective a-ses truth commission". : D
    three words: What's your solution?
    Authored by: Christian Avard on Tuesday, February 10 2009 @ 06:17 PM GMT+4
    I don't think a commission is the perfect solution. However, what's the
    alternative for justice? I suggest trying Bush & Cheney for murder a la
    Vincent Bugliosi but no one in Washington will touch that with a ten-foot
    pole.

    If commissions don't work I'd like to know what other solutions are out
    there from people that will work... and I mean real and grounded
    solutions. Not the ones put forth by Kurt Daims and crew.

    ---

    "A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory." - Steven Wright, comedian

    three words: What's your solution?
    Authored by: spinoza on Tuesday, February 10 2009 @ 09:02 PM GMT+4
    I'm going to ponder your excellent question. It's the crux of the issue about whether we are a country of real righteouness, or at this point, just a 'reality show' version.

    My immediate reaction is that WE (the People) do not have the collective will to get to the bottom of the mess. There are too many skeletons in the closet to think an internal review can yield real justice.

    And further, I'm torn about Leahy. He seems to have great bark, but no bite.(His vote in favor of Roberts was a telling and crushing moment)



    three words: What's your solution?
    Authored by: SpudHill on Wednesday, February 11 2009 @ 01:17 AM GMT+4
    Shadow Boxing with History
    Authored by: spinoza on Wednesday, February 11 2009 @ 01:06 PM GMT+4
    After mulling the question a bit, I've come to a few early conclusions. Something as deep and far reaching as this obviously deserves more than a cursory look.

    Leahy et. al. had the best tool at hand, with impeachment, and refused to use it. So it's hard to feel an after-the-fact method will have anything but toothless results. It's also difficult to accept that these guardians of our liberty may in fact be enablers.

    In this country, there is not an agency now with sufficient authority and access to delve and deliver. It's a fox watching the hen-house scenario, or even worse, a 'reconciliation commission' will become an episode of Celebrity Death-match.

    When a body has a corrupt organism within itself, the methods of redress are to expel or encyst. In these terms, the corresponding ideas are: International Court-(War crimes tribunal), or popular uprising. Just like a zit, this can't be forced, and whether the purulent matter will swell to a popable head, only time will tell. This is more than a cosmetic blemish though, this is systemic.

    None of this speaks to the fact that we let it happen in the first place. Which brings to mind Umberto Eco's observation that despots are made more by consensus than coercion. I also agree with those who said, unfortunately now, we've got bigger fish to fry.
    Shadow Boxing with History
    Authored by: SpudHill on Wednesday, February 11 2009 @ 01:10 PM GMT+4
    I sincerely believe that if impeachment had been moved on by Leahy and others we would now have President McCain and Vice President Palin. I think I'm happy with the outcome we got...actually no amend that I AM happy, much happier, with the outcome we have.
    Sparring with Hypotheses
    Authored by: spinoza on Wednesday, February 11 2009 @ 09:51 PM GMT+4
    I'm happy you're happy, but your supposition is unprovable. If Dems showed some spine way back when, maybe nobody -excepting Alaskans- would have ever heard of Sarah Palin.
    Sparring with Hypotheses
    Authored by: SpudHill on Wednesday, February 11 2009 @ 11:20 PM GMT+4
    I think an impeachment would have been so polarizing that it very likely would have caused problems for the Democrats.....and yes, I know I know you're supposed to do what's morally right etc. But I'm not sure the country could/would have stood behind the Dems in an impeachment movement. Not in strong enough numbers so right or wrong I believe that we could easily have ended up with a McCain/Palin ticket.

    And why do you think impeachment would have kept Sarah at home pray tell?
    Bush Years A-OK?
    Authored by: cgrotke on Wednesday, February 11 2009 @ 08:13 PM GMT+4
    Whether there is a gov't commission or not, the Bush years will be
    studied, dissected, and analyzed.

    Academics and analysts could say that signing statements were
    terrible, but it would take the gov't to pass a law outlawing them in
    the future, and a system that won't allow them and hold someone
    accountable if they tried to use them.

    Part of the Bush problem is that there were clear laws - some even in
    our Constitution - that were broken or ignored. If we know this and do
    nothing, we are just as guilty and we are asking for it to happen
    again.

    The right thing to do is often a hard thing to do. To paraphrase the
    prez, "To do nothing would be irresponsible."
    Bush Years A-OK?
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Wednesday, February 11 2009 @ 08:42 PM GMT+4
    Chris,

    Not many people think the Bush years were "A-OK". At least not most
    clear headed, rational people who aren't strapped to Fox.

    I too would like to see a Frank Church style investigation. However,
    knowing what I now know about JFK's assassination, I'd be careful if I
    were Obama. You go stirring up sh(*)t, the hornet's nest that is
    entrenched power (i.e. Halliburton/Brown & Root) and many in the
    GOP, and you'll end up with another motorcade event, or a hotel
    balcony in Memphis. Then we've lost our leader, and it's back to
    square one. I'd prefer we had a skillful, slow and pragmatic move
    toward a more modern, rational nation state. But I don't want a return
    to the "exciting sixties" as far as politics goes, with leaders getting
    gunned down for exposing abuses of power. I'm for treading carefully.
    It's a jungle out there!
    Leahy's Insert Foot in Mouth Senior Moment
    Authored by: SJD on Thursday, February 12 2009 @ 01:15 AM GMT+4
    Recently Leahy told an MSNBC interviewer, that Clinton was investigated as a "former President" for 6 years... um.. news to me? The MSNBC girl just rolled with it, not very smart, almost as if validating the inaccuracy. . . .

    ---
    "Government's view of the economy: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan

    Leahy's Insert Foot in Mouth Senior Moment
    Authored by: SpudHill on Thursday, February 12 2009 @ 12:06 PM GMT+4
    You really are quite a character aren't you albeit predictable.
    You throw out some right wing reputed facts (such as your misinterpreted Depression era work figures yesterday) which prove to be wrong, you are asked/informed of your error and you just move on to the next reputed fact of the day.

    A quick google search today shows me that this is the new talking point....Leahy was wrong, he claims Clinton was investigated even as a former President o'mgod what a big mistake

    Well as I understand it Kenneth Starr was still submitting "wrap-up" bills well into Bush's presidency even though he had officially stopped investigating. So Leahy is factually correct...the investigation was still costing US taxpayers big bucks after Clinton had left office.


    Also as I understand it Starr refused to ever produce detailed invoices so god only knows what he was spending money on.
    Leahy's Insert Foot in Mouth Senior Moment
    Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, February 12 2009 @ 05:48 PM GMT+4
    Be sure to watch the O'Reilly Factor tonight. He plans
    to address this issue.
    Leahy's Insert Foot in Mouth Senior Moment
    Authored by: SJD on Thursday, February 12 2009 @ 06:16 PM GMT+4
    Great, last night he had a great smack down with Courtney Martin of the Women's Media Center, a national feminist group, so proud of their work to advance womens rights, but couldn't explain why they remained silent about the adverse treatment of Sara Palin.. the feminist came off like a huge hypocrite and a pawn of the left, totally exposed.

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    "Government's view of the economy: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan

    Cue Twilight Zone music
    Authored by: Floyd on Thursday, February 19 2009 @ 05:52 PM GMT+4


    Preposterous!

    Leahy's Insert Foot in Mouth Senior Moment
    Authored by: SJD on Thursday, February 12 2009 @ 05:54 PM GMT+4
    Spin away..

    ---
    "Government's view of the economy: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan

    Leahy's Truth and Reconciliation Commission
    Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, February 13 2009 @ 10:14 AM GMT+4
    The fact is this whole business of a Truth” commission is not only Orwellian in it’s inference but it will in fact offer nothing more than a ridiculous and very expensive dog and pony show. It’s nonsense. Interesting that Leahey was all about laying off Clinton with the whole Mark Rich pardons, (a whole can of worms left closed thank you) and is so desirous to find out the “Truth’ and ferret out all of the horrors that supposedly occurred in the last 8 years. Forget about the horrors going back all the way to when Roosevelt gave Stalin eastern Europe shutting all opinions of Churchill out at the Yalta summit starting the cold war which caused Reagan to have to spend the USA into the stone age. Not to mention Roosevelt’s New Deal which was a dismal failure and is akin to the stimulus or as I like to call it, the “Rape-U-and Us, package will be very much the same. What we are looking at now is the results of what was started by Roosevelt’s creation of the federal reserve after making a deal with the world bank turning over the USA monetary’s basis of the silver standard to the federal reserve promissory standard. (see Silver-Purchase Proclamation of December 21, 1933) As one of Barry’s favorite folks was made famous for saying, “America’s chickens,,,,are comin’ home,,,, to roost. The last eight years have indeed something but in all actuality and intellectual honesty, very little to do with the current mess this country is in. Oh yes and to sum this all up, Leahey is a dishonest and quite partisan political hack who wishes to keep the bush ghost alive as long as possible so that more muddied political waters can be released into the already tawdry swill of Washington business as usual.
    Leahy's Truth and Reconciliation Commission
    Authored by: SJD on Friday, February 13 2009 @ 08:52 PM GMT+4
    Well said, period!

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    "Government's view of the economy: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan

    Leahy's Truth and Reconciliation Commission
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Friday, February 13 2009 @ 11:56 PM GMT+4
    "Orwellian," bahhh, ha ha ha.

    I agree we don't need any damn "truth" commission. We have a clear mandate - and a moral obligation - to investigate and prosecute anyone who has authorized or performed torture. It is U.S. and international law, and it's law that civilized nations agreed to after the atrocities of WWII.

    Oh and, by the way, waterboarding was considered torure when we prosecuted the Japanese for doing it to our soldiers in WWII.
    It was also torture when it was used during the Spanish Inquisition to force false confessions, it was torture when it was used by the Nazis, and it was torture when it was used by the Khmer Rouge.

    When a U.S. soldier was caught waterboarding a North Vietnamese captive in 1968, he was court martialled.

    When a U.S. Army officer was caught waterboarding an insurgent during the Spanish-American war, he was prosecuted and sentenced to 10 years hard labor.

    All techniques of waterboarding, or "water torture," are considered torture, and have been for hundreds of years. The use of water tortures is associated with only the most despotic regimes in history.

    There's only one course of action.

    ---
    We Rock!
    Leahy's Belated Truth?
    Authored by: Jigme on Saturday, February 14 2009 @ 04:19 PM GMT+4
    We should keep in mind that Senator Leahy has been one of the most
    powerful people in Washington over the past decade.

    He has had top-secret security clearance in the context of his role in
    the Appropriations subcommittees on Defense, on State-Foreign
    Operations-and Related Programs (ie. CIA), and on Homeland
    Security... as well as his key role in the Senate Judiciary Committee
    (where he is now Chair). He was involved in all the key decision-
    making about how money and resources were allocated for defense,
    homeland security/terrorism-response, intelligence gathering, and the
    making (and re-making) of laws... including the dismantling of the
    Constitution, habeas corpus and posse comitatus.

    He was there. It's hard to know what he did, because many of the
    hearings were secret. But he knew much of the planning, and heard
    the rationale for taking away our rights, and attacking a lot of other
    people, and putting irresponsible people in charge of huge operations
    that ultimately went awry or proved bogus.

    One hearing which was NOT secret was the confirmation hearing for
    Robert Gates, our now-retained Secretary of Defense under President
    Obama. During that hearing, which Sen. Leahy co-chaired, Robert
    Gates (a former CiA Director) lied under oath about Iran's capability
    to counter-attack if attacked by "the U.S.or one of its allies" (ie.
    Israel) when questioned by Sen. Robert Byrd. Robert Gates and Sen.
    Leahy both knew Iran possesses chemical and biological counter-strike
    missiles that could turn Israel into a wasteland, and which could
    devastate every American base into poisonous dirt...causing hundreds
    of thousands of casualties and deaths.

    Instead, Sen. Leahy allowed (without contradiction) Robert Gates to
    achieve confirmation on the statement that Iran had no serious
    counterstrike ability, and would do... at best... de-stabilizing and
    limited local insurgent warfare as well as attempt to block the Straits
    of Hormuz. I could not understand. Why would Leahy lock in with
    Bush on that one? With Cheney itching to have Israel attack Iran with
    U.S. back-up, would not an alerted American public - scared of a
    biological war in the Mideast - be the best protection against yet
    another precipitous Bush war? But no. Leahy stayed silent and
    ushered Gates right on through... as did Obama.

    What's up? Now that his tail won't get twisted off by a Bush-in-
    power... now that the Bushies have crawled back off to Texas... NOW
    when it hardly matters... only NOW Senator Leahy will use his power
    to look for the truth in Bush's cronies' misdeeds?

    Seems like a cheap shot at popularity in Vermont and for pulling in
    the votes for next election, rather than what could have been (two
    years ago) a meaningful response to a problem WHEN IT WAS THE
    PROBLEM.

    Politics. Geez.
    Leahy's Belated Truth?
    Authored by: SpudHill on Monday, February 16 2009 @ 08:10 AM GMT+4
    You're so right, Leahy is really responsible for everything...it's all Leahy's fault. I heard he personally lit the fuse on the explosives that brought down WTC7. Jeez...................
    Leahy's Belated Truth?
    Authored by: Jigme on Thursday, February 19 2009 @ 02:58 PM GMT+4
    I stand corrected. Obviously you have a line on some information I've
    missed somewhere.

    Meanwhile - my two main points go unchallenged... (1) for Leahy to
    attack Bush the "bad guy" NOW after the bad-doer is powerless and
    has left the stage and not while he was still hurting people and in
    Leahy's sights (especially when he and Pelosi had the power to do
    something) is opportunistic; and (2) that Leahy ushered through
    Robert Gates, a CIA-polished, lying operative furthering Israel's
    agenda to terrorize the Middle East and create their shaky "stability of
    fear" (and risking a devastating, filthy war with a lied-about Iran).

    Exactly why did Obama keep Robert Gates and Michael Chertoff?
    Have you looked at Michael Chertoff's martial law plan for America
    during an emergency? It's interesting, to say the least.
    Leahy's Belated Truth?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, February 20 2009 @ 08:39 AM GMT+4
    This is Leahy's revenge. He's still smarting over
    being called an effing ahole on the senate floor by
    then VP Dick Cheney.
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