In a recent letter to the editor, Alex R. Knight III of Jamaica wrote:
Vermonters should be proud of the fact that national gun-rights groups such as ...Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership hail Vermont as the crown jewel of America's right to both keep and bear arms without government interference, and hold Vermont forth as an example of unadulterated American tradition.
What in Hades does religion have to do with gun ownership?
Authored by: SkiDoc on Wednesday, February 11 2009 @ 12:27 AM GMT+4
How refreshing! Can it possibly be that in this incredibly "blue" state (wish it were really green) the good burghers actually see the value that our constitutional fathers saw in the right to bear arms? Oh well, just give the Obama fanatics time and they will see to it that this right is taken away from us too. We are rapidly entering dictatorship (not mere socialism) and soon the "O" forces will let us know all that we can and cannot do. All hail Obama.
Authored by: Maus Anon E on Wednesday, February 11 2009 @ 04:17 PM GMT+4
Conservatives like to pretend that only they have any claim to "freedom."
I'm an avowed socialist, and I treasure the 2nd amendment as much as I treasure the 1st. And for the same reason as the conservatives - if the government becomes too oppressive, as it began to under Bushco, the citizen's revolution has to start somewhere. Why not start it in Vermont?
Plus, I just like guns. I like shooting and plinking.
Authored by: mr.mike on Wednesday, February 11 2009 @ 01:48 AM GMT+4
This is one of my sweetist subjects.
Vermont is the only state that fully cherishes the 2nd Amendment.
This subject probably came up because of the recent Reformer article that stated Vermont ranks ninth in having the poorest rating in gun laws.
While Massachusettes has one of the highest. Has done wonders for that state though hasn't it. I mean they have virtually no crime compared to Vermont. I would much rather walk around the south end of Boston at 1am than downtown Burlington.
I still say the only reason their hasn't been more drug crimes against law abiding citizens in Vermont is because that dealer has to stop and wonder if I'm gonna be carrying while he's struggling with that jones.
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Deep down Democrats really do believe in tax cuts just look at Tom Daschle.
Don't get me wrong, I agree in the suspicion and agree we must be watchful. Obama has not repealed the Unitary Executive powers. There's always a chance that the conspiracy theorists are right. I want my own guns. It's our right as Staties. Vermont has always had that part right. But articles like that are more defeatist in the end than helpful, because of its inherent divisiveness.
The right wing seems to think they own everything exclusively- God, Jesus, morals, marriage, all the money, and even our guns. They've marginalized people by prejudice and stereotype. And then point fingers as if what they blindly believe is fact. I'll never understand an unquestioning follower.
And what always makes me smile is that they view the left as the same unthinking mob in reverse.
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Authored by: Floyd on Wednesday, February 11 2009 @ 04:27 PM GMT+4
Mr. Mike: "I still say the only reason their hasn't been more drug crimes against law abiding citizens in Vermont is because that dealer has to stop and wonder if I'm gonna be carrying while he's struggling with that jones."
Say what??? A dealer with a jones holding up law abiding citizens? A dealer is a dealer either because he can resist the temptation to use his own products or can function despite the use. He isn't out on the street stealing from folks he doesn't know. That's what his customers might do if they run out of easy cash to support their habit. Two different people in very different circumstances.
Is this implying that drug crime and gun crime are synonymous?
There is scant evidence that desperate criminals make their decisions based upon these vagaries. Certainly no more evidence than there is that those who commit murder, say in Texas, carefully consider the capital punishment laws there before they commit their crime. If they had that kind of foresight they would probably be in pretty different circumstances in the first place.
We are a a very homogeneous state overall with better than average support structure for treatment of addictions. Crime of all kinds is lower here not because some of us have firearms in our homes, but because we have less disparity overall. We also have smaller towns and a greater sense of community. We know one another more which lessens the likelihood that your neighbor is going to rob you to support a habit. Our quality of life is better which reduces the number of folks who get to the bottom of the drug spiral in the first place.
We are also geographically removed from the cities that contain many of the addicts. They don't plan crime junkets to other states for the most part. We are the low hanging fruit only for those theoretical addicts who live nearby.
Authored by: dakofar on Wednesday, February 11 2009 @ 04:01 PM GMT+4
I think it has to do with the jews who were able to fight the germans during/before wwii because they had guns.
I have a gun in my home and i believe i have the right to defend myself and i do not believe the gov. has a right to interfere in that right.
I also think that people's thinking changes when only those with "authority" had the right to have guns.The gov. is not a parent that tells citizens what is best for them.
Authored by: SkiDoc on Wednesday, February 11 2009 @ 07:50 PM GMT+4
Spot on, dakofar! Nor is it a parent who should clothe us, feed us, employ us and provide evry other convenience from womb to tomb. O.K. now, socialists, fire away, but remember the 2nd amendment gives you the right to do so along with the 1st. All hail, Obama.
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