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    Agreeing To Disagree    
    Wednesday, February 25 2009 @ 02:46 PM GMT+4
    Contributed by: Lise

    iBrattleboroA while back, there was an amusing editorial cartoon about the Internet that highlights one of the problems we've been having lately on iBrattleboro. In the cartoon, the wife sees her husband typing furiously into his computer and says to him, "Come to bed, dear, it's getting late." Her husband replies, "I can't! Someone on the Internet is wrong!"

    The point of the cartoon, of course, is that there is a tendency for people to think they have to correct every viewpoint they run across that doesn't jibe with their own.

    Brattleboro is a diverse town. The people who live here have views on a variety of topics, and reflect many different political perspectives. All are welcome on iBrattleboro — provided they are willing to abide by the spirit, as well as the letter, of the site policies which are, simply put, play nice.

    We don't expect everyone to agree with everyone all the time. We don't require Sunday School manners. We are genuinely interested in "hosting the community conversation" on matters of interest to folks in the region. But where we have trouble is dealing with what at times feels like hatred between people with differing political views.

    While it's very tempting to slam someone when they post something we disagree with, it doesn't help. In fact, it does nothing more than fan the flames. It's like the old Saturday Night Live skit that featured the famous line "Jane you ignorant slut." Where do you go from there?

    From our experience moderating iBrattleboro, here's how it typically works: I call you a name, so you call me a name back. Then my friends come on and call you names, which prompts your friends to jump in and call me and my posse names, and pretty soon you've got a bona fide flame war going on. No one is enlightened by the "dialog" nor is anyone convinced to change their views. It's just an ugly waste of time.

    There are ways to express disagreement that do not result in flame wars. It is possible to simply state your views without getting into what kind of creep the other person must be to say something like whatever they said. But it's also possible to leave well enough alone. If someone says something that makes you so mad, you don't think you can respond without venom, maybe you shouldn't respond. Maybe it would be better if you left it to other, less inflamed persons, to respond — if anyone really needs to respond at all.

    A long time ago I wrote a piece called "Holy Flaming Tricksters!" in which I talked about the issue of trolls. Trolls, in Internet lingo, are people whose goal is to provoke others into making an angry response. The more people they can get to rise to the bait, the happier they are. It's not about educating anyone. It's about making people mad.

    By responding to trollish comments, you are playing directly into the hands of the troll. First, you're giving them what they want — an irate response to something designed to provoke that response. Moreover, you're helping them get lots of attention. And to make matters worse, you're also losing the moral high ground by stooping to their level. Then, when we say to the offending user, "Please knock it off," they can say — with some accuracy — "Well, they do it too!"

    As far as I can tell, this isn't something confined to persons of one political perspective or another. People on both "sides" do it. The one that especially bothers me is where someone posts something mildly controversial and then everyone who disagrees piles on with snarky and/or outraged replies. Again, the debate isn't furthered, and I end up feeling sorry for the victim, regardless of which side they're on or the views they expressed.

    Brattleoro is a community and iBrattleboro reflects that community. When you slam a user of the site, you're slamming a member of your own community — a neighbor, perhaps an acquaintance, but certainly someone with whom you share geographical space. We have common ground, even if it's only as residents of the same area. It would be nice if we could recognize that about each other, and cut each other a bit of slack, instead of feeling the need to jump on them every time they open their mouths (metaphorically speaking).

    We are trying to make this a welcoming site for everyone, not just persons of one political persuasion or another. We don't think it's wrong for people to post opinions — conservative opinions, liberal opinions, moderate opinions, or any other political opinions. That said, we don't think it's necessary for conservative users of the site to point out how stupid liberals are every time they get the chance, anymore than we condone left-leaning users jumping all over conservatives for every posted comment.

    Can we have civil discourse on iBrattleboro (or anywhere for that matter) between people of differing views? I think we can. But it will require restraint on the part of some to get there. So please, think before you post. Read your comment aloud if necessary, to make sure you're not posting something inflammatory. And please review the site policies for details on what is, and isn't, acceptable on iBrattleboro.com.

    Finally, please don't take it upon yourself to police the site on your own. If you find a comment offensive, you can click the Report Abuse link to send us an email or write to us at info@ibrattleboro.com and let us know which comment you find abusive. We're happy to take down comments that cross the line, as we try to do now even when no one reports them.

    For more on this topic, please see my May 2004 column: Holy Flaming Tricksters!

    And as always, thanks for being a part of the iBrattleboro community.

     

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    Agreeing To Disagree
    Authored by: Brattlebird on Wednesday, February 25 2009 @ 03:50 PM GMT+4
    Lise, this is a beautifully written article. There have been times when I have hesitated expressing my opinion on an issue because I fear it will elicit caustic and possibly hurtful remarks. It is easy to post a response and hide behind the anonymity of the internet. Thank you for reminding readers of ibrattleboro that respect for others and their opinions is an important part of a healthy community. These are stressful times in our society. Let's support each other as human beings lucky enough to be in a town as wonderful as Brattleboro, Vermont. We need each other, regardless of the differences of thought and politics.
    YOU ARE SO WRONG!
    Authored by: pjmelton on Wednesday, February 25 2009 @ 03:53 PM GMT+4
    Just kidding.

    I think it really helps us all if the "stories" people write do not directly involve national political issues. The more abstract things are, the easier it is to call names and insult people. When we stick to topics that directly affect our community, I think we have better conversations. Perhaps because we feel more like neighbors. There are a lot of other sites where people can spar over the stimulus package, etc. Why do it here too?

    I say this with the full realization that I have participated in many of the political conversations myself, but I've been trying to refrain, because that's where I see the pattern of me getting hot under the collar over viewpoints I will never change through rational argumentation (or irrational either).

    I've also been trying really, really hard to just not even READ posts written by certain people. I am uncomfortably like that guy who can't go to bed because "someone is wrong on the Internet," but this is not really an aspect of my personality that needs to be encouraged!

    ---
    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    YOU ARE SO WRONG!
    Authored by: SpudHill on Wednesday, February 25 2009 @ 04:10 PM GMT+4
    The comic is hysterical.
    Guilty and ditto......to Melton...not an aspect of my personality either that needs to be encouraged.
    I agree to agree
    Authored by: csimmons on Wednesday, February 25 2009 @ 04:48 PM GMT+4
    Interesting timing...I was trying to comment on "Talking Trash" but was a bit tardy. Great post Lise...thanks for the Aykroyd reference...put me in a better place. Below is my comment to "Talking Trash, " but very relevant to this discussion (the few replys mirror what I’m about to say). It’s lengthy, so I split it into two comments.

    Chad Simmons
    ----
    (part 1)
    This thread of comments highlights why I’ve stayed far away from ibratt…with the exception of a few and the tail end of the ‘dialogue,’ so many of the comments were smug, baseless, hypocritical and frankly… ignorant. It’s a shame that such a potentially great community resource is squandered by users clinging to exclusivity.

    I’ll try to make this short...ish. The owners of Windham Wines are doing a remarkable thing…A throwback to when communities really were communal and a model for moving forward…beyond the smug, anti-community building cyber walls. They offered their place of business to have a discussion…have been doing so since this past fall. They are genuinely interested in providing a space for people in the community to meet their neighbors and discuss things that matter…learn, share, debate… Previous discussions have been lively, vibrant and inclusive to diverse opinions.
    I agree to agree (part 2)
    Authored by: csimmons on Wednesday, February 25 2009 @ 04:50 PM GMT+4
    (part 2)
    I should reiterate that they are a business. I find it silly and sad that in other discussions, the same people bemoaned the corporate tyrants and exclaimed the need to support local biz and then trounce a local, small business that opens its doors to community. Nice.

    Judging from a few baseless comments and the relative few that participate (relative to the potential of an inclusive forum) my sense is some of the ibratts need to peel themselves away from the glow of the computer and get out…learn a little about your community kids.

    Instead of pontificating about your perceived knowledge of bratt, I’d spend a little more time engaging in the plethora of community activities it has to offer. Then comment on it.

    Chad Simmons
    (speaking of inclusivity, it may help if people added their name…not very “communal” blurting things out then hiding behind your cable modem)

    “So all the trusties and rich can go and knock back a few and have a meaningless talk about PAYT.” …seriously?
    Fairness hurts
    Authored by: Win on Wednesday, February 25 2009 @ 04:55 PM GMT+4
    I wonder if this was a problem early on in ibratt's life when it had mostly a left leaning following. It seems now that there are alternative viewpoints expressed that some don't like it.
    Fairness hurts
    Authored by: csimmons on Wednesday, February 25 2009 @ 05:06 PM GMT+4
    Good point. That could be. In all fairness, obviously ibratt is not the only forum that this takes place. I've stayed away from them all really. I want to participate on ibratt and others, but not confidant people are able to deal yet.
    Fairness hurts
    Authored by: csimmons on Wednesday, February 25 2009 @ 05:12 PM GMT+4
    Also, virtual humor and sarcasm are tough roads to walk. If done right, it’s a great way to discuss hefty topics. But if based on fear, anger and assumptions, it’s just a waste of time…hence my lack of involvement.

    Chad
    Fairness hurts
    Authored by: Win on Wednesday, February 25 2009 @ 05:32 PM GMT+4
    I have found this to be the case at others as well. But diversity can not and should not be shoved down someone's throat.

    Differing views are what make this country great.
    Differing views .....
    Authored by: Floyd on Wednesday, February 25 2009 @ 07:05 PM GMT+4

    I draw the line at bigotry or advocacy or defense of reprehensible actions, both of which have gotten me pretty riled up here.

    I'm always for free expression, but also for strongly challenging bigotry and seemingly willful defense of ignorance which crops up at least occasionally here.

    Watching trolls reappear every so often and new folks taking the bait provides a mixture of annoyance and amusement.


    Fairness hurts
    Authored by: cgrotke on Wednesday, February 25 2009 @ 08:39 PM GMT+4
    Hi Win, and all...

    We have had this come up before, a few times. It isn't really a right or left thing, and we don't delete things because we disagree with them. It comes down to how ideas are presented.

    When we started, we didn't require registering to make comments. We tried to trust that everyone would be cool and play fair. Nope. This led to us requiring registration. (It also helped us get rid of robots spamming the site).

    Another time it led to the creation of the site policies, particularly this part:

    ....

    "Write With Civility And Respect

    An important purpose of iBrattleboro is to provide all users with a forum for information-sharing, discussion and debate in a respectful and friendly atmosphere. Personal attacks and mean-spirited postings discourage and utimately kill useful communication. Submissions that appear to be primarily for the purpose of defamation, libel, or maligning and impugning others may be deleted. iBrattleboro is concerned with building community. Community is built on goodwill, respect and trust.

    Disagreement need not be synonymous with anger, bitterness, loathing, intolerance or other non-productive negativity. Discussion is encouraged; fighting is not."

    ......

    It really seems to be something that comes up every once in a while as we grow and new contributors adjust. We have tried and tended to err on the side of allowing too much, rather than too little, and we try to keep in mind that everyone can have a bad day, but we do crack down when it appears people are losing the basic idea here... that the site is for reporting local news and information.

    One way people who are struggling with this can improve their writing is to take out the word "you" from comments. That word gets people in trouble quickly, as it usually is just a guess made by someone who doesn't know the person they are talking to. Instead, write about yourself, not others.

    Another is to avoid generalizations. Many people write sentences that begin with:

    "Everyone here..."
    "iBratt users..."
    "Everyone in Vermont..."
    "Everyone in NH..."

    then go on to make some blanket statement that is supposed to apply to each and every one in that group. That's sloppy writing, and is often incorrect. For example, when someone says "iBratt users need to get out more...", the sentence includes the person writing it. Remember that criticizing users of the site always includes the person doing the criticism, who is using the site to do it. (I suppose the proper way to write that would be "All users of iBrattleboro except for me need to get out more.")

    Final point for now - I encourage everyone to set a good example. Be that writer you want to see here. Be that person that others can't accuse of being unfair. Demonstrate your superiority by being a role model, and writing great local news!

    Thanks to everyone who make an effort. We really appreciate it.

    Please put your trash talk in the proper container
    Authored by: pjmelton on Wednesday, February 25 2009 @ 05:13 PM GMT+4
    If you want to talk trash, you can do it by searching for the old thread in the search window, even though it is not on the list to the left anymore.

    I remembered the name of the original story, which helps, so I typed "trash talk" into the search window. That thread can be found at: http://www.ibrattleboro.com/article.php?story=20090219180858787&query=trash%2Btalk

    ---
    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR

    When is Trash Trash
    Authored by: csimmons on Wednesday, February 25 2009 @ 05:28 PM GMT+4
    Thanks. I'm a newbie...but still very relevant.
    Chad
    When is Trash Trash
    Authored by: SpudHill on Wednesday, February 25 2009 @ 05:53 PM GMT+4
    I also think Windham Wines is a great place and said so in those posts My only issue was with a Selectboard member participating when the issue was still on the table.

    But Windham Wines is a great place as are the people who run it.
    Trash Has Moved
    Authored by: csimmons on Wednesday, February 25 2009 @ 06:27 PM GMT+4
    Thanks Spudhill(?). Your comments were of the more reasoned. I've
    posted my response in the "Trash Talk" discussion.

    Chad
    When is Trash Trash
    Authored by: pjmelton on Wednesday, February 25 2009 @ 06:12 PM GMT+4
    "I'm a newbie...but still very relevant."

    Agreed! I don't think anyone here is irrelevant. :)

    I'm pretty new myself, compared to most.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    This cartoon?
    Authored by: omerhj on Wednesday, February 25 2009 @ 09:05 PM GMT+4
    This cartoon?
    Authored by: cgrotke on Thursday, February 26 2009 @ 11:49 AM GMT+4
    That's the one.
    Agreeing
    Authored by: Rolf on Thursday, February 26 2009 @ 06:26 AM GMT+4
    I recently had a post of mine removed.

    In my post, I speculated that a contributor's comments were so disconnected from the topic at hand, and so nonsensical, that they appeared to possibly be the work of an agent provocateur, someone trying to discredit the very political ideas that he was writing about.

    That was my honest assessment and best guess. I was not setting out to insult the poster, I was trying to state my suspicions that the author was not playing fair, and it seemed possible that the author was trying to make right wingers look ridiculous.

    In retrospect, if the writer was sincerely a right winger, then my comments could, obviously be taken as an nasty sarcastic insult and put down. That was not my goal,

    but,

    I am glad that Lise, or Chris, removed my post.

    I also appreciate that they take the time to do so.

    They are creating more work, and run the risk of being called "Censors" in a pejorative way as thanks for their civic minded work.

    Rolf

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    Agreeing To Disagree
    Authored by: ibratt1935 on Thursday, February 26 2009 @ 10:03 AM GMT+4
    "A long time ago I wrote a piece called "Holy Flaming Tricksters!" in which I talked about the issue of trolls. Trolls, in Internet lingo, are people whose goal is to provoke others into making an angry response. The more people they can get to rise to the bait, the happier they are. It's not about educating anyone. It's about making people mad. "

    Thanks for magnifying this lens, indeed "trolls" can incite a public forum such as this. I-Bratt is an interesting tool to access information in hopes of educating yourself about a specific local topic. Yet, it is no different than any other source of information, when researching about a topic, consumers of information need to weigh the credibility of the source and the subsequent information being provided.
    Deleted Comments
    Authored by: Lise on Thursday, February 26 2009 @ 11:06 AM GMT+4
    I checked the site this morning and found that over on the Secession story, the same battles were raging between the same people so I shut down comments on that story. I've never had to do this before and I'm really sorry I had to do it this time, esp so soon after cautioning everyone yesterday. I'm not sure why we're having such a hard time being understood on this one. Please stop fighting with each other. Nothing is this important and nothing is gained by doing it.

    Chris and I are serious about maintaining a positive, friendly atmosphere on iBrattleboro. We wish you would work with us on this.

    thanks,
    Lise

    Deleted Comments
    Authored by: pjmelton on Thursday, February 26 2009 @ 11:17 AM GMT+4
    I think it may be rather difficult for people to understand which comments cross which lines.

    Speaking only for myself, I have had what I considered to be fair and rational comments deleted from threads that were full of racist slurs and personal insults that were not deleted. So maybe it's difficult for people to realize when they're crossing the line from reasoned debate into what you personally would consider "not nice"?

    Not sure what the solution to this is, but I actually think shutting down a whole thread is a better method than hand-picking comments to delete.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Deleted Comments
    Authored by: Floyd on Thursday, February 26 2009 @ 11:28 AM GMT+4

    Of course I just spent 20 minutes writing a response to Lise's thoughts on the topic of secession and regionalism, now not to be seen.

    I violated my own "rule" of not getting involved in threads that have more than a handful of comments because I found this topic to be interesting.

    I am beginning to warm to the ongoing suggestion from some that posting under confirmed real names is the only way to end some of this and might actually bring alot of folks back who seem to think too many comments here are meanspirited and they want no part of this forum.

    Perhaps one other option would be for posters to have the possibility of disabling comments themselves when they submit a story. Then folks could feel like they could post info without the chance that a long thread of off topic and un-compassionate posts will follow it.

    I can go to Youtube, for example, and remove nasty comments or I can shut off comments entirely.

    Oh well, back to Facebook.

    Deleted Comments
    Authored by: annikee on Thursday, February 26 2009 @ 11:36 AM GMT+4
    I'm also thinking that real names/identities are the way to go. My real name is on my user ID; I think everyone knows who a lot of the supposedly anonymous are. But having to use your real name in comments would go far to stop the trolling. People could still break news/ write stories anonymously.

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    "I have words in here & I'm not afraid to use them!"
    Deleted Comments
    Authored by: pjmelton on Thursday, February 26 2009 @ 11:43 AM GMT+4
    I'm not sure about the anonymous thing, as I've said a few intemperate and regrettable things even though anyone in the world can look me up in the phone book. A couple of these things, mercifully, have been deleted!

    My problem is knowing ahead of time which will seem deletion-worthy by the moderators.

    ---
    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Deleted Comments
    Authored by: annikee on Thursday, February 26 2009 @ 12:00 PM GMT+4
    Well, part of it is being here a while and getting the lay of the land. I've been using iBratt for 2+ years. It's only been very lately that I step out when things get nutty. If someone says something disparaging about another user in a personal attack, I hit the abuse button and don't go back to the thread. This rule applies to myself. I have reported myself after posting a nasty, when I caught a breath.

    iBratt is a great tool of communicating. We've had amazing convos with all sides' input without rancor.

    The thing I'd recommend is not to engage with those who troll for argument and flame. Yes, it's tough. So many of us are very passionate about what we think. But you will never get anywhere with trolls. Ignore it; eventually they go away.

    ---
    "I have words in here & I'm not afraid to use them!"
    Owning comments
    Authored by: butter on Saturday, February 28 2009 @ 03:58 PM GMT+4
    A suggestion/question* on registration under real names:
    I dunno if there's a way to display real names to logged-in users, and the
    names we choose for ourselves to the internet at large. Might feel more
    secure with speaking our minds openly.


    * (a suggquestion?)
    Owner operated
    Authored by: annikee on Saturday, February 28 2009 @ 05:00 PM GMT+4
    You can put all the personal info you want on the user account feature, as little as your name or as much as your website. Only registered iBratt users can see it.

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    "I have words in here & I'm not afraid to use them!"
    Agreeing To Disagree
    Authored by: annikee on Saturday, February 28 2009 @ 09:35 PM GMT+4
    I just saw this on Philip Baruth's Blog, Vermont Daily Briefing. It's on a different subject, but applies:

    "Praising your opponent where you can, negotiating differences where you must, and filing down any sharp edges in your advertising. It’s like watching a prize-fight where the two heavyweights just sort of . . . stop hitting each other, and start talking politely to the crowd about the various differences in their boxing styles.

    "Not as much fun to watch, admittedly, but at least you don’t have to mop the sweat and blood off the canvas when the match is over."

    http://vermontdailybriefing.com/

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    "I have words in here & I'm not afraid to use them!"

    Agreeing To Disagree
    Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 01 2009 @ 08:04 AM GMT+4

    ""Jane you ignorant slut." Where do you go from there?""

    A) Jane demands to know the source of the information that lead to her being slammed that way. And so the discourse begins.

    B) Or, Jane just turns and walks away.

    I can see where most are coming from in this thread. Yes, many of us are guilty of getting caught up in heated discussions because we really believe in our own personal views especially when it comes to politics. And yes, when we are in that mode we should sit on our posts for a few moments to be sure they are not too mean spirited (which is usually a result of being provoked.) But for the most part, I've really enjoyed the whitty, humorous sarcasms put forth by some on one extreem, and the elaborate opinions expressed by others in defense of the indefensable on the other extreme, while thoroughly enjoying the spirited banter that takes place inbetween. It can get hot in the kitchen at times. Option B sounds boring.

    Agreeing To Disagree
    Authored by: vtstream on Sunday, March 01 2009 @ 09:20 AM GMT+4
    There is a difference between conversation and discourse. I think both have a place on a forum such as this. If anyone thinks that people won't occasionally get emotional and say things they shouldn't...well....that's going to happen.

    I've learned to have thick skin. I don't really care if somebody calls me an idiot for something I said.
    I try to refrain from doing the same because I think that I can get my point across more effectively without that.

    And that's what is is really about. We care deeply about something enough to take the effort to type it in here with the hopes that we will either learn something or help others to learn.

    Part of the problem, if it is a problem, with people calling each other names is made worse because we are allowed to be anonymous here. Some people think that if we were required to use our real identities then we would be nicer to each other, That's true. But it would also hinder many from speaking out and I think that would be a much greater loss than someone getting angry because someone called them a name.

    Anonymity gives us a level of freedom that we don't have in real life. That is one power of this medium.
    Like all freedom, it needs to be used responsibly.
    Expecting it to be used responsibly every time all the time is asking an awful lot.
    The New Snarkiness
    Authored by: Lise on Sunday, March 01 2009 @ 05:18 PM GMT+4
    As it turns out, snarkiness is in right now -- who knew? I just read a piece in the Washington Post about it, Sorry, Dude, but You've Totally Jumped the Snark which believe it or not, is about a book by David Denby about how snarkiness is ruining the Internet and public discourse. The review is funny and pretty evenhanded. One interesting point is that snarkiness may be in the eye of the beholder. If we agree with something, we're less likely to see it as snarky.

    On a less happy note, one of our long time users has decided to take a breather from the site due in part to this snarkiness thing. I feel bad about it because he's always been a positive presence and has contributed a lot of stories and creative pieces along the way. Just a reminder that not everyone is the same amount of "thick-skinned" and that we might want to be more inclusive to those who are, for whatever reason, more sensitive to rough "tone."

    That said, we're really not looking for Sunday School, in case anyone thinks we are. There's got to be a happy medium between stultifying politeness and a free-for-all.

    Thanks for all your comments! I hope we can work this out in time. It would be pretty amazing if we could.

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  • American Legion Band Spring Concert

  • Thursday 17-May
  • Brattleboro Community Conversations
  • Southern VT Scrabble Club
  • Scripting Hitchcock: Psycho, The Birds, and Marnie
  • Karaoke Thursday @ The Beacon Bar!

  • Friday 18-May
  • Transition Guilford - Potluck and Film Screening
  • Mount Wantastiquet Night Hike
  • High Peaks Band @ The Beacon Bar

  • Saturday 19-May
  • The Stone Trust Two-Day Outdoor Dry Stone Wall Workshop
  • Kids Day at the Brattleboro Farmers Market
  • Wood Heat Workshop and Fair
  • Walk for Life -AIDS Project
  • Geranium Festival and Book Sale
  • Dr. James Gilligan, Why Some Politicians Are More Dangerous Than Others
  • Now & Then Vehicles Club Cruise Night
  • A Taste of the Town
  • Nervous but Excited with Jackson Emmer
  • Vermont Jazz Center presents Howard Brofsky and Friends
  • Household Hazard Waste Collections
  • Intercept @ The Beacon Bar

  • Sunday 20-May
  • The Stone Trust Two-Day Outdoor Dry Stone Wall Workshop
  • Children's Day Festival of Japan and China
  • Transition Putney - Reskilling: Herbal Identification Stroll

  • Monday 21-May
  • Dummerston Cares Program & Light Luncheon
  • Communication Cafe
  • "Where (we) Live" Work-in-Progress Showings by VPL Lab Artist So Percussion

  • Tuesday 22-May
  • Pink Pint Night
  • "Where (we) Live" Work-in-Progress Showings by VPL Lab Artist So Percussion

  • Wednesday 23-May
  • An Evening of Poetry

  • Thursday 24-May
  • WSWMD Policy/Personnel Committee
  • Southern Vermont Scrabble Club
  • WSWMD Planning/Operations Comm.
  • Karaoke Thursday @ The Beacon Bar

  • Friday 25-May
  • "Where (we) Live" Work-in-Progress Showings by VPL Lab Artist So Percussion
  • Turkuaz $ Medicine Warriors @ The Beacon Bar

  • Saturday 26-May
  • Dummerston Rummage Sale
  • Talkin' Smack @ The Beacon Bar

  • Brattleboro Weekly Poll
    Regarding teens and Gallery Walk, I mostly
    enjoy their presence and youthful energy
    am bothered by their cursing and mayhem
    think a few teens give others a bad rep
    think grumpy adults should get over it
    think teens should be better supervised while out
    would like to see more artistic activities for teens
    have not noticed any problems
    other
    Results
    56 votes | 2 comments