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    Thoughts On Pay As You Throw    
    Sunday, March 01 2009 @ 03:31 PM GMT+4
    Contributed by: Anonymous

    Politicsby Dora Bouboulis

    As a Selectboard candidate, I want to share my thoughts on "Pay As You Throw."

    Pay as you throw:

    • It will cost the average resident more.

    • Cost shift - taxes do not go down.

    • No real savings - If the recycling market continues to decline, curbside recycling collection may end up costing the same as trash.

    • Adds stress to middle and low-income families at a time when folks are really struggling to survive financially.

    • The town does not have enough resources available to enable residents who do not have vehicles to recycle. This is particularly true for downtown, which does not get served by town trash collection.

    What we can do:

    • Lead by example- The town of Brattleboro has done very little to encourage recycling. We need recycling receptacles on public property. There should be ”Please Recycle” signs all over town. We need a town composting facility. We need to find a location to bring back the recycling containers in WB.

    • Use interns and Vista volunteers to create a program that incorporates leadership, education and incentives.

    • Work with businesses and organizations to reduce the amount of material that goes into the waste stream. In particular, using recyclable or compostable containers for food sales and having recycling bins available.

    • Honor and recognize businesses that are already doing this – Brattleboro Area Farmer’s Market and Chelsea Royal Diner.

    • Work with service organizations to create service projects related to reducing trash and increasing recycling.

    • Identify needs for disposing of non-recyclable material and work with business and community organizations to develop local businesses that reuse materials from the waste stream.

    • Work with WSWMD to encourage providing services to recycle more kinds of items than presently available.

    • Educate and organize community members to be part of the solution.

    “Pay as you Throw” is a punitive measure. People do not like to be told what to do, especially Vermonters. The citizens of Brattleboro are generous and are very willing to step up to the plate when asked. We know we need to reduce waste. It will save the town money and preserve the environment. This can be accomplished much more effectively through community building. I propose the 25% Garbage Challenge: every business and individual will be asked to pledge to reduce the amount of material they contribute to the waste stream by 25%. This would address all waste, not just recycling.

     

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    Thoughts On Pay As You Throw
    Authored by: Belfast on Sunday, March 01 2009 @ 04:56 PM GMT+4
    My opposition to PAYT is rattling around here somewhere on ibrattleboro in
    comments to related stories, so I won't repeat those lines here. Summary:
    I'm poor, I rent, & am pro-recycling but anti-PAYT.
    Already voted via absentee ballot (a crucial accomodation for those of us
    unable to physically attend, in order to vote)-and I did NOT vote for the
    incumbent selectpersons.

    Thank you for stating this plainly. Very much hope you win.

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    "You cannot administer a wicked law impartially-it destroys everyone it touches, its violators as well as its upholders."
    Thoughts On Pay As You Throw
    Authored by: annikee on Monday, March 02 2009 @ 01:45 AM GMT+4
    I thought about PAYT, and now think it stinks. At the least, this would add 100 dollars to the average person's yearly bills and for most will cost a lot more. Nobody will want to wait til bags are full when pick up is weekly in the summer. 2 week old August garbage? Ah, the fresh air of summer in picturesque Vermont...

    PAYT? Throw it out. It stinks.

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    "I have words in here & I'm not afraid to use them!"
    Thoughts On Pay As You Throw
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Monday, March 02 2009 @ 08:25 AM GMT+4
    ***Nobody will want to wait til bags are full when pick up is weekly in the summer.***
    Since the bag price will, supposedly, be based on the price per ton, every time someone puts out a bag that weighs less than 40 pounds, they'll be handing money to the town.

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    We Rock!
    I can't resist...
    Authored by: Genie on Monday, March 02 2009 @ 04:57 PM GMT+4
    I propose bringing one sack each of stinky, maggoty trash directly to the Selectboard Meeting Room on a stifling August eve.

    I'm still thinking about PAYT and I'm beginning to think it might be an anti-capitalist plan hatched by the Selectboard and designed to urge residents to stop shopping at Wal-Mart. Products at Wal-Mart are generally encased in a lot of packaging material which must then be thrown out in the household trash. The message just might be "Shop Local and Hold the Trash."

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    Wonders Never Cease.
    Thoughts On Pay As You Throw
    Authored by: Stevil on Monday, March 02 2009 @ 09:33 AM GMT+4

    If the town was really serious about recycling, perhaps it might help if recycling was picked up every week instead of every two weeks. Even then, my experience (over many years) is that one can put out for pickup one's recycling on the proper day and week, but that doesn't mean that it will be picked up.

    A few weeks back, I went to do my recycling at the bins near the high school. There was a bin for glass and plastic, and a bin clearly marked for cardboard only (which was full). I had wanted to recycle a couple weeks worth of newspapers, but found no recepticle in which to put them.

    It has always seemed to me that the town is not serious about recycling. Only its people are.



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    "If you start to take Vienna -- take Vienna." -- Napoleon
    Thoughts On Pay As You Throw
    Authored by: cgrotke on Monday, March 02 2009 @ 10:47 AM GMT+4
    On Live and Local, John Allen said he was in favor of it because it was
    "more equitable", even after Steve pointed out that renters already pay
    these taxes in their rent.

    I got the impression it is more about money, not recycling.

    He also said that if it doesn't work out "we can just change it back."
    Thoughts On Whether John Allen is Being Honest
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Monday, March 02 2009 @ 02:00 PM GMT+4
    I agree that it's more about the money (source of revenue for the town)
    than it is for us "colonists" forced to pay an unfair tax burden on this
    relative to the bigger shop owners (East India Tea Co.) who get a better
    cost break.

    Which leads to the obvious question: If John Allen says that he
    represents "the middle class" then WHY is he supporting a system of
    revenue collection that clearly has been shown to benefit the wealthier
    owners of big properties?
    cost shifting
    Authored by: cgrotke on Monday, March 02 2009 @ 02:52 PM GMT+4
    He thought it would encourage recycling, that it was more equitable, and
    also that if it doesn't work we can always go back.

    (I'm paraphrasing from memory...) He also said that not all taxes are
    passed on to renters, and that getting a tax bill in the mail is a direct
    reminder of the costs, or something along those lines.

    He didn't respond to the iBrattleboro interview questions this year,
    though you can read his responses from last year. There's a link in the
    2009 election pages to last year's page.
    Thoughts On Pay As You Throw
    Authored by: JefferyAnderson on Monday, March 02 2009 @ 02:20 PM GMT+4
    Thanks to Mr. Allen for letting it out (if unintentionally) that this is really just about saving the town money and the intent to increase in recycling rates is really just piggy-backed to make it more accepted. Maybe I am reading into it the wrong way, but one person reading it that way certainly means more people are bound to read it the same way.
    Thoughts On Pay As You Throw
    Authored by: annikee on Monday, March 02 2009 @ 02:59 PM GMT+4
    That's the way I took it.

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    "I have words in here & I'm not afraid to use them!"
    Thoughts On Pay As You Throw
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Monday, March 02 2009 @ 04:55 PM GMT+4
    I don't know what Allen meant by "equitable," but one of the arguments in favor of PAYT is that the system is supported by the people who use the landfill/transfer station. And that is true.

    If you were starting a sanitation department from scratch, one of the general philosophical questions would be: Does everyone have a resposibility for sanitation in the town, or is it just the users; and should the burden of residential sanitation be borne by all property owners, or just residential property owners?

    But for Brattleboro, which had a "socialist" sanitation system in which the burden of sanitation was shared equally among all taxpayers, this represents a shift in the existing funding system. And it's a shift that puts more burden on those with lower incomes at a time when they're feeling the most pressure. Is this really the year to whack low income residents with extra taxes to make things "more equitable" for the haves?

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    We Rock!
    Thoughts On Pay As You Throw
    Authored by: Genie on Monday, March 02 2009 @ 05:00 PM GMT+4
    Your essay gives a whole new meaning to "I FEEL TRASHED."

    Buttons and bumperstickers, anyone?

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    Wonders Never Cease.
    Thoughts On Pay As You Throw
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Monday, March 02 2009 @ 05:05 PM GMT+4
    ... not just peopleiwth "low" income - people with moderate incomes, too. I didn't mean to make it sound like I thought this was a problem for just one income group.

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    We Rock!
    Thoughts On Pay As You Throw
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Monday, March 02 2009 @ 05:20 PM GMT+4
    Maus,

    I would call the old trash system "socialized" rather than "socialist"
    unless you were being tongue-in-cheeky monkey. Or maybe just call
    the old system "civic" as in "everyone benefits from one collective
    community trash system just as we all benefit from having one water
    system utility, and one road grid that is standardized, etc." Hell, even
    the Romans knew this! These clowns in office who say that we can't
    afford collective, tax supported garbage pick up are nickel and diming
    our civic society and helping to destroy what they say they so want to
    save.

    You gotta wonder about the education levels of these SelectBoard
    members. Do they read much or study civic planning at all? Or is their
    education mostly third rate business schools or little or no higher
    education, because based on their decisions, it really shows.
    Thoughts On Pay As You Throw
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Monday, March 02 2009 @ 06:12 PM GMT+4
    Yes, everything around here lately is "socialist." "Socialist" this and "socialist" that.

    Like me.

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    We Rock!
    Socialism in theory and practice
    Authored by: Floyd on Monday, March 02 2009 @ 09:29 PM GMT+4

    The "Socialist" phenomenon is getting more interesting the more I learn about it. I recognized one level of it as right wingers desperately trying to neuter whatever positive proposals Obama might put forward, but that is just one segment of the pie it seems.
    Rachel Maddow did a segment on it this AM and it seems that to certain folks it is a code or signal relating to the "end times" and the Left Behind series of books. This isn't the thread to discuss it on however, so I'll hold off on saying more.

    Did anyone catch Jesse Corum referring to "White Trash" on WKVT this morning?

    This was his term for abandoned appliances.


    Christians for PAYT
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Monday, March 02 2009 @ 11:08 PM GMT+4
    Yes, I've caught the reference to socialism and the "end times" before, although I guess I always passed it off as bad craziness. Until I saw Maddow's interview with Tim LaHaye yesterday.

    You'd think Christians would be begging for more socialism, then. You know, to hasten the Rapture.

    Maybe they don't quite believe all that mumbo jumbo themselves.



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    We Rock!
    Christians for PAYT
    Authored by: pjmelton on Tuesday, March 03 2009 @ 08:02 AM GMT+4
    I always thought Christians would be begging to enact socialism, actually. "Whatsoever you do to the least of my brethren" and all that. Wouldn't capitalism be one of those things that makes the Baby Jesus cry? Apparently not. Aside from the fact that I found out at the age of 19 that I am constitutionally incapable of believing in deities of any sort, the hypocrisy is the main reason I'm not a Christian anymore.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Thoughts On Pay As You Throw
    Authored by: annikee on Tuesday, March 03 2009 @ 02:11 PM GMT+4
    It'd be cool if, on Town Meeting Day (Sat the 21st, 9am @ BUHS) there was a group of people singing a song against PAYT outside. I'll help compose a parody if anybody can go...email me.

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    "I have words in here & I'm not afraid to use them!"
    Thoughts On Pay As You Throw
    Authored by: chrishh on Tuesday, March 03 2009 @ 04:10 PM GMT+4
    PAY AS YOU THOW IDEA??

    TOSS IT.
    Thoughts On Pay As You Throw
    Authored by: Mosski on Tuesday, March 03 2009 @ 11:59 PM GMT+4
    Obviously, it is very important that we have as large a number of people as possible at Town Meeting on the 21st to speak out against PAYT. It would be super if we could get 50 or more. It would have to go way beyond the i-Brattleboro demographic.

    I will have a petition ready for signing at Town Meeting if the reps do not put the $328,000 back into the budget. We will need either 50 Town Meeting reps (it would be great if we could get all the signatures we need right then and there!) or 250 registered voters proportionate to the number of voters in each of our three districts. We would have until Thursday to get the signatures (5 days).

    If Town Meeting does not nix PAYT throw then the voters of the Town should decide whether they want it or not.
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