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    A Selfish Reaction to the Current Debacle    
    Monday, March 09 2009 @ 11:40 PM GMT+4
    Contributed by: Anonymous

    OpinionThe following recent article explains why these 5 major banks may be dead, or undead zombies, already

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20090309/pl_mcclatchy/3184724

    From a purely selfish angle, this posting is concerned with "getting mine" while I still can.

    I am talking about reward points on my credit card.

    It seems that there is a good chance that the bank that I hold a credit card, is not likely to pass the upcoming "stress test". Indeed, if the stress test is to have any kind of meaning, based on these numbers, it would seem unlikely that "my" bank could pass this test.

    That being the case, my little strategy of using the family credit card to charge all bills and the pay them off at the end of the month, (something we did for years in order to earn interest free "Reward points", which was the only way we could ever see of being able to afford to go to Turkey to see my friend Caglayan, who used to live here)

    well it seems that strategy is in some danger of being run over and crushed on the road by those wacky credit default swapping bankers who drive the big bus.

    It was a good plan. A former colleague of mine used to go the Caribbean every year, for free. He paid no interest on his credit card, because he was using it like a checking account. He was not spending any more money than he had each month, he just used it to buy all the things of life, like heating oil, food, clothes as necessary, and reaped the rewards in the form of free airline tickets.

    However, if the bank goes bust I am betting that they will honor their agreement to reward me for all my purchases, well, sometime after they make good all their promises to holders of select stock and bondholders, ie, never.

    That being the case, it would seem prudent to cash all my reward points, now.

    My thinking is if I am thinking this way, so are a lot of other people.

    And we will probably all come knocking for our rewards at this unfortunate time.

    Rolf

     

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    A Selfish Reaction to the Current Debacle
    Authored by: Lise on Tuesday, March 10 2009 @ 09:22 AM GMT+4
    I had never realized that people charge to get rewards points until recently when a store manager told me about it. (I am petrified of credit cards myself.) The store manager would prefer that people not pay with credit cards as much as other payment methods because the credit card company charges the payee -- i.e, the person receiving the money -- a fee. So it's free to you as long as you pay monthly but not free to your creditors, each of whom pay a fee to the credit card company for the privilege of allowing you to pay by credit card.

    I just mention this because I'm not sure everyone knows that credit is never free -- it's just paid for by different people under different circumstances.

    I doubt the credit card companies will get rid of rewards programs. In general, I think they've been very lucrative for the banks.

    A Selfish Reaction to the Current Debacle
    Authored by: JefferyAnderson on Tuesday, March 10 2009 @ 11:47 AM GMT+4
    Thank you for making that point. I used to work for a small business restaurant, and therefore it did not have the capital backing of some of the bigger chains. We couldn't accept American Express and this made a lot of people angry. The problem was, American Express charges a lot higher of a percentage to the creditor than the other cards so its a big hit on small businesses who need to save all they can. Something to think about next time it bugs you that you can't use American Express somewhere, it's because they don't want to pay $10 of that $40 item you bought to the credit card to the credit card company.
    A Selfish Reaction to the Current Debacle
    Authored by: tiny on Tuesday, March 10 2009 @ 12:11 PM GMT+4
    Are you suggesting mercahnts pay Amex 25% of the purchase price?

    I thought Visa and Mastercard demanded 2-3% and Amex was 1-2% above that.

    Personally I think the airline points are baloney and would rather cash back or reduced fees.
    A Selfish Reaction to the Current Debacle
    Authored by: Rolf on Friday, March 13 2009 @ 01:40 PM GMT+4
    Actually, Visa (or Mastercard) doesn't pay the reward points.

    That comes from the Banks.

    Visa makes its money by charging merchants a small transaction fee, as you note.

    The money for the reward points is made off of the interest rates that the credit card charges MOST of its costumers.

    As I said, if one pays off the entire balance at the end of the month, no interest is charged. As I say, some of my friends actually get FREE (to the credit card user) airplane tickets this way. The money to do so is not coming from the trasnaction fees that VISA charges.

    Of course stores prefer cash to credit cards as there is this fee (actually closer to 1 or 2 percent, not anywhere close to 25% as the other poster suggested).

    However, most merchants prefer increased sales over decreased sales, which is why they make the calculated decision to accept credit cards. The small fee is worth it, or else they would be foolish to accept the cards.

    Rolf

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