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    Cutting the Not    
    Thursday, July 02 2009 @ 12:20 PM GMT+5
    Contributed by: spinoza

    RecreationFrom this skater’s POV- mindful of the fact that skaters are citizens too- what is preferable for the town to now do?

    Revise the ordinance?
    Negotiate a moratorium, a skate amnesty?
    Do nothing/look the other way?

    Let’s face it folks, in the long run:

    Even if the town sanctions, locates, and pays for 10,000 sq. ft. of Skatopia somewhere, it's still a drop in the ocean as far as paved possibilities in the world-at-large. And exploration, of both physics and terrain is ultimately what transport and shredding's all about.

    How to find a solution, or at least define a détente, between skaters and non?

    This becomes a public vs. private property matter. As it’s commonly understood that one can roll however they like on one’s own land, let's instead focus on public regulations and provisions governing roads, lots, parks, and spots in regards to skaters.

    As it's currently defined, it's legal to skate in Brattleboro in exactly the same places it's legal to appear nude. Nowhere. You can bike or walk anywhere. Everywhere. But the activity of skateboarding is defined only in terms of lawbreaking.

    Go back over twenty-years and chart Rec Department spending on skate related matters, either capital or operational. The sum is zero.

    Nowhere. Nothing. Not encouraging terms. Anyone paying attention can see where this leads.

    And as a result, criminalizing youth for being active will go down as not only Byzantine, but Philistine in its application. This first and foremost has got to change.

    Moreover, to have yet another series of the latest least-burned-out-skate advocates argue again before the current incarnation of the Selectboard about where or where not to put a park, is an exercise in futile and absurd theater.

    Revise the ordinance?
    Negotiate a moratorium?
    Do nothing/look the other way?

    Maybe, these three ideas, taken simultaneously, hold a solution?

    My proposal is simple:
    Completely legalize skateboarding, everywhere. This will relieve pressure to find a park- which can be done in scattered locations and sizes by and by.

    With the abeyance of the law, the onus now falls on the skaters to live out a 'be cool rule'. This means in effect, to yield at all times and places to pedestrians and moving vehicles. Principally - to not skate in congested or ridiculous circumstances. This rule must be self- monitored as common sense policy, and passed down as a matter of word.

    It’s a test, can skaters grow up, act responsibly, and gain legitimate recognition. And can the town grow up, showing tolerance, forbearance, and trust? Ultimately both sides win, consciousness is raised, youth and health is served, and an environmentally friendly mode is furthered.

    As for instances of disorderly, reckless skate conduct...sure, keep that punishable. Even in parks, nobody want to see that. But by all means, let’s stop calling every person rolling on their board a menace to society.

    What we have now is not fair, not farsighted, and not working. So what have we got to lose?

     

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    Cutting the Not
    Authored by: Rolf on Thursday, July 02 2009 @ 12:41 PM GMT+5

    Well put.

    Agreed

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    Cutting the Not
    Authored by: annikee on Thursday, July 02 2009 @ 05:06 PM GMT+5
    Same here.

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    Christ was a Communist, in the purest sense.
    Cutting the Not
    Authored by: pjmelton on Thursday, July 02 2009 @ 01:14 PM GMT+5
    I think skateboarding should be legal, but perhaps some language can be included to define some clear limits. That gives the police and the skaters a baseline for identifying appropriate and inappropriate behavior, rather than relying totally on judgment calls. I think you're right that a skate park is important but is really a separate issue from de-criminalizing play and transportation in public spaces.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Cutting the Not
    Authored by: spinoza on Friday, July 03 2009 @ 05:18 AM GMT+5
    Your call for language is certainly valid, but this quickly reveals how tricky the situation is.

    Most non-skaters find the prospects of even stepping on a board to be terrifying and hazardous. Turning and jumping on-and-off can seem outright acrobatic. To a mildly seasoned skater, these actions on the board are not much more challenging than standing around, whistling in the wind.

    The skateboard learning curve is such that it'd be hard for a layman to identify novice from adept, so that what's reckless for one skater(like an ollie off steps) can be a piece of cake for another.

    How can the one making the judgment of what's dangerous be in line with the one doing the skating? That's why I offered the 'be cool rule', because I believe empirical definitons will create as many exceptions as there are infractions.

    There is so much ambiguity and prejudice built in here. We don't give operator tests for bicyclists or enforce a 'no-jogging-in-the-road-at-dusk-in-dark-clothes ordinance'. Nor do we retest octogenarians for their driving skills, but slowed reflexes can certainly lead to reckless and dangerous behavior.

    I don't claim to have the answers, but it seems clear, criminalizing skateboarding wastes town resources, and is an overall disaster for youth.

    We can't legislate common sense, but I think this more than explicit law should be the guiding force for civil societies.
    Cutting the Not
    Authored by: pjmelton on Friday, July 03 2009 @ 05:37 AM GMT+5
    An operator test for bicyclists would actually be a really good idea. Some of these people scare the crap out of me. And I say this as a sometime bicycle commuter myself. But there ARE basic rules about how and when bikes are allowed on the roads, and even if you don't need a license to operate one, you still have to follow the rules. Frankly, I'd like to see the police handing out tickets to certain cyclists.

    So I was thinking not so much of restricting particular skating moves but more like some guidelines about appropriate spaces and times - i.e., I think skateboarding probably should not be allowed in the Gallery Walk area during Gallery Walk. It should probably not be allowed in parking lots or the parking garage. That is what I'm getting at - not whether people can go flying off the steps, but which steps are off limits and when. We do things like this for traffic safety - you can only turn right on red in certain places, bicyclists have to signal their turns, etc. I think there should be some shared baseline assumptions about what constitutes common sense with skateboarding in town. I can see some restrictions on the sidewalks in the most populated shopping areas (my kids and I have a hard enough time maneuvering some of the sidewalks just on foot, at kid speed), for the same reason we don't technically allow bikes on the sidewalks. That is the kind of thing I'm getting at.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Knotting the Cot
    Authored by: spinoza on Friday, July 03 2009 @ 10:12 AM GMT+5
    How about closing the top two levels of the parking garage to all auto traffic weeknights after 6pm?

    And every other Sunday we get to bomb Union Hill the whole way, to the river.

    Seriously, the previous hyperbole from oppressed posters only comes from having their poetry squelched and their lifeblood sapped. Who's to say whose zap is worse.

    And as for rolling at gallery walk; it's a pleasant way to mingle, that's fer sure.
    Knotting the Cot
    Authored by: annikee on Friday, July 03 2009 @ 03:49 PM GMT+5
    Allowing skate hours in the parking garage wouldn't be a bad idea; charge the skaters 50 cents an hour, close the E St entrance- chase out the weirdos...sounds like an idea that should be looked at seriously.

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    Believing gossip is worse than spreading it.
    Knotting the Cot
    Authored by: pjmelton on Saturday, July 04 2009 @ 04:16 AM GMT+5
    I understand where the hyperbole comes from - and there is PLENTY of hyperbole coming from the other side, and from posters who claim that all the "bad seed" are from Springfield, Mass. (which I think must just be thinly veiled racism). But since the skaters are the underdogs in this discussion, their rhetoric will be held to a much higher standard. If there are going to be public meetings on this subject, they should develop a calm, unified message. They can make the same appeals for rights without comparing themselves to political refugees and genocide victims.

    As for the "Be Cool" rule, I think it will work for most skaters - but some people need more guidance. Whatever the rules are, they should be easy to remember and follow and enforce. But I think there should be ground rules of some kind. I don't think the skaters should go into the discussion proposing them, though. It should be a compromise position. Not a bad idea to get together and think about what would work ahead of time, though.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Cutting the Not
    Authored by: cgrotke on Friday, July 03 2009 @ 11:05 AM GMT+5
    How would you feel, as a biker, if skateboarders were permitted to use
    all bike lanes, too? Just curious.
    Cutting the Not
    Authored by: pjmelton on Friday, July 03 2009 @ 01:53 PM GMT+5
    Fine with me. The bike lanes barely exist anyway. Skaters would probably not want to use them, because they are full of gravel, vegetative debris, and drainage grates.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Cutting thru Cow Muffins
    Authored by: Genie on Thursday, July 02 2009 @ 04:30 PM GMT+5
    If the town wants to squelch Life itself--as I learned from the above article--then I believe that's a pretty weird idea! Sounds sort of puritanically cultish to me.

    Young people--and all people--are meant to move their bodies in physical activity and sport. In fact, God created us that way. God, herself, is a pro-skateboarder and probably takes the board over the clouds every now and then, when time permits.

    How can a happening, little new england town purport to foster "the good life", artists and farmers, and simultaneously leave out young people who like, and need, to go outside and stretch their limbs on the hard surfaces of modern life.

    Silly people, humans are designed for physical action in the fresh air!

    I've really been waiting a long time for people's intelligence to catch up to that of their computers.

    Genie



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    Wonders Never Cease.
    Eliminate the board and it's A-OK
    Authored by: cgrotke on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 07:25 AM GMT+5
    Maybe the answer is to use other kids as skateboards:

    Eliminate the board and it's A-OK
    Authored by: pjmelton on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 07:53 AM GMT+5
    That. Is truly. Disturbing.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Eliminate the board and it's A-OK
    Authored by: cgrotke on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 08:11 AM GMT+5
    ...and great single frame animation. The sound effects do the heavy
    lifting. : )
    Eliminate the board and it's A-OK
    Authored by: spinoza on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 08:24 AM GMT+5
    Not sure it's single frame, can't defy gravity like that. Here's another take on the concept

    Eliminate the board and it's A-OK
    Authored by: Rolf on Friday, July 10 2009 @ 01:57 AM GMT+5

    Wow.



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