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    Why Is It Raining So Much? Climate Change In Brattleboro    
    Wednesday, July 08 2009 @ 08:38 PM GMT+4
    Contributed by: cgrotke

    NatureA few weeks ago, the government put out a new climate change report — rigorously juried and written in layman's language with colorful charts and graphs detailing the latest research and predictions. We each spent an hour or more going through it, thought about writing a story, and then dropped it, assuming most people wouldn't be interested. After all, it recapped a lot of information that has been out for a while — New England summers would be cooler and wetter while the Southwest would be hotter and drier, cool climate trees would move north, ski industry would die, and the like.

    Then on the Fourth of July, we went to visit relatives in the Lakes District of New Hampshire. We were standing outside in the chilly drizzle with Lise's Filipino uncle when he casually remarked that the weather was messed up. He's not usually too concerned about these things, so we were a bit surprised. He said that Europe is having weird weather patterns again this year, and that in the Phillipines where he had been living, the normal summer weather had failed to materialize and they too had had a cool, wet summer. His impression regarding the weather in the Phillipines was — this never happens.

    So when we got home Sunday night, we decided to kill some time watching the Weather Channel online. Watching the Weather Channel gives you all the weather instead of just your region. Having not seen the Weather Channel in years, we were both struck by how dire the weather has been around the country. Every other story was about how abnormally awful it has been. "I've lived here 30 years and I've never seen...." was a common refrain.

    What's scary about the weird and in many cases extreme weather happening around the country and the world is that the climate change report completely supports this scenario. Cool, wet summers in the Northeast — check. More extreme downpours — check. Extreme dry conditions in the Southwest — check. Heat waves in Europe — check. It's enough to make a person believe in climate change.

    What follows is a rundown of three places we looked for climate information — the government report, the Weather Channel, and a really impressive new atlas of the Connecticut River Valley that provides a great picture of our region and what we stand to lose in the coming years. Dig in....

    I. The Weather Channel

    Our first stop was the Weather Channel. It was both illuminating and depressing.

    They didn't mince words, and put the blame squarely on global warming.

    Story after story showed examples. The heat wave in Texas causing home foundations to crack. All the trees in Houston dying. Galveston making plans to be underwater in the coming years. Heat wave in Europe two years in a row. Highways in Wisconsin buckling due to heat. Cold and rainy conditions in New England for the second year in a row.

    The meteorologists said it again and again. It's the changing climate. They say global warming is real, is observable, and is the cause of unusual weather patterns across the globe.

    Tune in or watch online for a few hours sometime and see what you think.

    II. The Latest Climate Change Report from Scientists

    The next stop was the latest report from the scientific community, so we downloaded a copy of "Global Climate Change Impacts in the United States," from the Cambridge University Press, 2009. It is a plain-language report for everyone to read that summarizes the science of climate change and its impacts, now and in the future.

    It breaks down the science and impacts a few ways. They look at climate change by sector - water, energy, transportation, agriculture, ecosystems, human health, and society - then look at climate change impacts by region. It ends up with an agenda for "climate impacts science," and some concluding thoughts.

    The first stop as a reader was the introduction to see who wrote it. Editors came from the NOAA National Climatic Data Center and the Marine Biological Laboratory. The report had 28 expert authors coming from the U.S. Geologic Survey, NASA, Department of Transportation, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, and numerous colleges and universities. Science folks from Harvard, MIT, Texas A&M, and others reviewed it. There is a full reference section listing sources.

    It's public domain, so we'll quote from it below and use a picture or two for illustration.

    A. Overall, Some Key Findings Of The Report

    In simple terms, carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, halocarbon, ozone and water vapor emissions are on the rise. Oceans are becoming more acidic. Temperatures are rising, and so are sea levels.

    Big changes are expected. "Under all scenarios considered in the report, relatively large and sustained changes in many aspects of climate are projected by the middle of this century, with even larger changes by the end of this century, especially under higher emissions scenarios."

    We may or may not be able to deal with it. "Humans have adapted to changing climatic conditions in the past, but in the future, adaptations will be particularly challenging because society won’t be adapting to a new steady state but rather to a rapidly moving target. Climate will be continually changing, moving at a relatively rapid rate, outside the range to which society has adapted in the past. The precise amounts and timing of these changes will not be known with certainty."

    Here are the 10 key global findings presented in the report:

    1. Global warming is unequivocal and primarily human-induced.
    2. Climate changes are underway in the United States and are projected to grow.
    3. Widespread climate-related impacts are occurring now and are expected to increase.
    4. Climate change will stress water resources.
    5. Crop and livestock production will be increasingly challenged.
    6. Coastal areas are at increasing risk from sea-level rise and storm surge.
    7. Risks to human health will increase.
    8. Climate change will interact with many social and environmental stresses.
    9. Thresholds will be crossed, leading to large changes in climate and ecosystems.
    10. Future climate change and its impacts depend on choices made today.

    B. How Do We Know It Is Happening In The Northeast?

    The report lists observable and quantifiable changes that have been documented in New England.

    • More frequent days with temperatures above 90°F
    • A longer growing season
    • Increased heavy precipitation
    • Less winter precipitation falling as snow and more as rain
    • Reduced snowpack
    • Earlier breakup of winter ice on lakes and rivers
    • Earlier spring snowmelt resulting in earlier peak river flows
    • Rising sea surface temperatures and sea level

    C. What Do They Predict For The Northeast In The Future?

    More rain. "One of the clearest precipitation trends in the United States is the increasing frequency and intensity of heavy downpours."

    Really. More rain. "Higher latitudes are projected to receive more precipitation. The widespread trend toward more heavy downpours is expected to continue, with precipitation becoming less frequent but more intense. More precipitation is expected to fall as rain rather than snow. ... Model projections of future precipitation generally indicate that northern areas will become wetter."

    It might make for some big snowstorms in the short term, but eventually it will be mostly rain. "In winter and spring, northern areas are expected to receive significantly more precipitation than they do now, because the interaction of warm and moist air coming from the south with colder air from the north is projected to occur farther north than it did on average in the last century."

    The seasons will be shifting and temperatures rising. "Hot summer conditions would arrive three weeks earlier and last three weeks longer into the fall,""Heat waves, which are currently rare in the region, are projected to become much more commonplace in a warmer future, with major implications for human health," and "the number of days that fail to meet federal air quality standards is projected to increase with rising temperatures."

    This will change what can be grown around here: "Large portions of the Northeast are likely to become unsuitable for growing popular varieties of apples, blueberries, and cranberries under a higher emissions scenario."

    Maple lovers take note: "Climate conditions suitable for maple/beech/birch forests are projected to shift dramatically northward, eventually leaving only a small portion of the Northeast with a maple sugar business."

    It will also cause milk production to decline. "Heat stress in dairy cows depresses both milk production and birth rates for periods of weeks to months By late this century, all but the northern parts of Maine, New Hampshire, New York, and Vermont are projected to suffer declines in July milk production under the higher emissions scenario."

    Most of our ski resorts will close." Warmer winters will shorten the average ski and snowboard seasons, increase artificial snowmaking requirements, and drive up operating costs. The length of the winter snow season would be cut in half across northern New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine, and reduced to a week or two in southern parts of the region."

    There won't be enough snow for snowmobiles to get around. "Most of the region is likely to have a marginal or non-existent snowmobile season by mid-century."

    D. Yeah, But That'll Be After I'm Long Gone...

    "Not all changes in the climate are gradual. The long record of climate found in ice cores, tree rings, and other natural records show that Earth’s climate patterns have undergone rapid shifts from one stable state to another within as short a period as a decade. The occurrence of abrupt changes in climate becomes increasingly likely as the human disturbance of the climate system grows."

    E. Yeah, But It Was Really Warm/Cold Long Ago...

    "While various parts of the world have had particularly hot or cold periods earlier in the historical record, these periods have not been global in scale, whereas the warming of recent decades has been global in scale – hence the term global warming."

    F. Yeah, But This Summer Is Cold...

    "It is also important to recognize that at both the global and national scales, year-to-year fluctuations in natural weather and climate patterns can produce a period that does not follow the long-term trend. Thus, each year will not necessarily be warmer than every year before it, though the warming trend continues."

    "By the end of the century, the average U.S. temperature is projected to increase by approximately 7 to 11°F under the higher emissions scenario and by approximately 4 to 6.5°F under the lower emissions scenario."

    G. Where Can I Get A Free Copy?

    The full report, with lots of charts and graphs worth exploring, can be found online at www.globalchange.gov/usimpacts

    III. Where The Great River Rises

    The final bit of evidence arrived by mail the other day. It was a copy of "Where the Great River Rises - An Atlas of the Connecticut River Watershed in Vermont and New Hampshire," a beautiful new book put out by the Connecticut River Joint Commission. We got a copy in exchange for providing them with some printable versions of pictures in the Brain Trust.

    The book covers everything about the watershed area, from geology and soil composition, to flora and fauna, history, transportation, salmon counting, energy and more. It has information about climate change in the Connecticut River Watershed, too.

    The book mentions the introduction of new pests, longer growing seasons, changes in frost dates, longer periods of stress for riparian and aquatic plants and wildlife as things to come. It says we may see more extreme weather and more intense storms.

    Wood products, outdoor recreation, farming, and tourism will see significant effects and we can look for more ticks and new pests in the garden, new birds at feeders, and less snow in winter. According to the book, snowfall has decreased by about 10% since 1966, and the days with snow on the ground has decreased by about 16 days between 1970 and 2000.

    IV. Final Thoughts

    So there is the summary of what's going on, according to just about everyone from TV weatherpeople to scientists and scholars. There were no footnotes expressing doubts. It was unanimous and it was loud, and you can read and watch for yourself to verify the information we found.

    What to do with the information, of course, is up to you.

    Lise helped with this report.

     

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  • Why Is It Raining So Much? Climate Change In Brattleboro | 31 comments | Create New Account
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    Very Well Done Chris and Lise
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Wednesday, July 08 2009 @ 09:47 PM GMT+4
    As you may remember, I too wrote about the rain and global warming
    in an earlier post. But your report is far more thorough and more
    interesting than mine was.

    It's interesting that you mention the Weather Channel as being a place
    where people hear about global warming/climate change. Just a few
    years ago, in the early zeros, they were saying that "we just don't
    know". Fox News still doesn't "seem to know". Unfortunately there are
    political overtones involved, as the party of Big Oil (the GOP) and
    their funders (Big Oil) don't want people to know the truth, so like
    with tobacco and cancer, they obscure and say that "we need more
    studies". Exxon-Mobil is STILL funding climate change skeptics,
    scientists in the pocket of Big Oil, who muddy the waters with mostly
    bogus questioning of man-made global warming. This is so that the oil
    companies can continue to extract more of the remaining oil in the
    world, and continue making money. Damn the environment or the
    future of mankind----"Drill, Baby Drill" as they chanted at the
    McCain/Palin 2008 convention last year.

    For those who want to read more, here's a scary site with lots of
    links, sponsored by a man from the Washington Post, Ross Gelbspan,
    who began writing with concern about global warming back in the
    1990s, with his first book "The Heat Is On". Here is his site:
    http://www.heatisonline.org/main.cfm
    Very Well Done Chris and Lise
    Authored by: pockets on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 02:32 AM GMT+4
    interesting that the founder of the weather channel believes that the
    whole manmade global warming thing is a fraud..it used to be called
    global warming but now they are calling it "climate change".. sure the
    climate is What about the sun? the sun is the biggest thing around its
    over 90% of the matter in the milky way.. if a change in the sun
    happens wouldn't that effect earth? Global temp fluctuations have
    happened throughout history..in the 70's they claimed an ice age was
    coming...in medieval times England was warm and had grapes
    growing.
    this climate change thing is all about scaring the heck out of people so
    the bankers and people like Al Gore can make millions..check the
    great global warming swindle on google video
    Very Well Done Chris and Lise
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 06:44 AM GMT+4
    Sure, the sun just turned the heat up a bit, and a group of wealthy conspiracists decided to take advantage of it and get all the scientists to pretend that it was caused by man.

    I think that's called the "Illuminati-based climate change model."

    If only there was some kind of empirical data to guide us... but where would we find it?

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    We Rock!
    Very Well Done Chris and Lise
    Authored by: pjmelton on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 09:07 AM GMT+4
    "but where would we find it?"

    You have to look where the sun don't shine.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Very Well Done Chris and Lise
    Authored by: cgrotke on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 09:23 AM GMT+4
    No, the reports actually use the words global warming and climate
    change. Source after source say there is NO question about this going
    on, just what might happen as a result and how fast.

    Read the quote above where they italicized the word global. Then read
    the reports. Look at the graphs of the average temperature going up for
    the last 100-150 years.
    Very Well Done Chris and Lise
    Authored by: pockets on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 03:26 PM GMT+4
    according to NASA the sun is linked to climate
    check this link:http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/06/nasa-study-
    shows-sun...the IPCC who forecasted this were not all scientists..the
    famous list of 2500 here's a link about that and hysteria :
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1198188/Hysteria-real-
    threat-global-warming.html..this next link is about a well regarded
    scientist who doesn't think the polar bears are in trouble (based on a
    fraudulent picture that Al Gore showed during "an inconvenient truth")
    heres that link:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopher

    as to the bankers.. and global warming.check out this link:
    http://www.corbettreport.com/articles/20090702_banksters_cap_trade
    Why Is It Raining So Much? Climate Change In Brattleboro
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Wednesday, July 08 2009 @ 10:40 PM GMT+4
    I am quite concerned about whatever tectonic activity we may experience that would cause New Hampshire to break off and migrate to North Carolina over the next 100 years. What might that mean for Vermont? Will we be stuck with a void between us and Maine, or will parts of Canada relocate to fill the gap?

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    We Rock!
    Why Is It Raining So Much? Climate Change In Brattleboro
    Authored by: cgrotke on Wednesday, July 08 2009 @ 10:48 PM GMT+4
    Just longer drives to Keene, that's all.
    Why Is It Raining So Much? Climate Change In Brattleboro
    Authored by: pockets on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 09:29 AM GMT+4
    its interesting that anyone who doesn't agree with the man made
    theory
    of global warming is vilified, demeaned and made fun of. If global
    warming is caused by man/woman is the truth.. why do the
    proponents of
    this theory feel they need to attack those who disagree? in a
    supposedly
    "open minded" town. so many have a closed mind. . when you start
    paying carbon taxes think who is raking in the profits.. the same
    people
    who are running the show.. by the way- judging people to be
    "conspiracy
    theorists" and discounting what people have to say is close minded
    Why Is It Raining So Much? Climate Change In Brattleboro
    Authored by: cgrotke on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 09:32 AM GMT+4
    I'm not attacking, I'm explain where you are incorrect.

    You said it was cold/hot before in specific location long ago. I pointed out
    that the report (See E, above) says that is a common reaction and
    explains that never before has weather been changing all around the
    globe.

    That's just information. And you are free to ignore it.
    Why Is It Raining So Much? Climate Change In Brattleboro
    Authored by: cgrotke on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 09:55 AM GMT+4
    Though, I'm happy to add to my report of research:

    "Pockets, a member of the Brattleboro community, disagrees and posits
    another theory: that the unusual weather patterns are caused by the sun
    getting warmer, and that the meteorologists and scientists reporting on
    "climate change" or "global warming" are lying."
    Object to being called a conspiracy theorist?
    Authored by: pjmelton on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 10:05 AM GMT+4
    It's really just descriptive, you know. "[T]his climate change thing is all about scaring the heck out of people so the bankers and people like Al Gore can make millions" is an example of a *theory* that the idea of global climate change is a *conspiracy*.

    If Al Gore and a bunch of bankers were having secret meetings ("conspiracy"="whispering together") in an attempt to fool us all into making them millionaires by scaring us with crazy climate change theories, that would be called a conspiracy. And that particular conspiracy appears to be your theory about what is going on. QED: You are a conspiracy theorist. Embrace it, my friend.

    There are real conspiracies going on around us every day, and I am sometimes a conspiracy theorist myself. But I'm unclear on what you think the motive is here. Al Gore could sell books some other way. And where do the bankers come in? Don't they have other ways of making money too? And then there are the evil tax-and-spend liberals, who just LIKE government so much they can't help themselves and have to cook up reasons to tax us?

    I'm happy to entertain a good conspiracy theory, but it has to actually include some kind of motive and logic in order to capture my attention.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Why Is It Raining So Much? Climate Change In Brattleboro
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 12:15 PM GMT+4
    How can we take your objections seriously when you're clearly in the pocket of the solar lobby?


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    We Rock!
    Why Is It Raining So Much? Climate Change In Brattleboro
    Authored by: Donnie on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 01:22 PM GMT+4
    I am always happy to read real reports on climate change and global warming. As well as ideas on how we can be better stewards of the earth that is our environment and host.

    My problem is that I try to keep an open mind and question all opinions, ideas, and beliefs no matter what direction. And I get really upset at what I call the absolutists who KNOW that we have global warming or KNOW that we have an ice age coming.

    What I do know is that we should do the best we can to do as little damage to our environment as we can. But I do not count myself among those who want to radically change our lifestyle to accomplish this. We have been to the moon. We have created the internet. We have HD TV. Damn, we're smart. Let's put our brains into this issue.

    This has become the cause of the day that you must agree with like sheep. No thanks. I don't not believe it. I just want to be sure we do not become sheep and forget to think for ourselves.

    New England was once covered by an ice sheet. And we also had the age of tropical heat. Are we humans so egotistical that we actually believe we are the cause for all change on earth? Give me a break. Yes, we, and everything else, trees, water, grasses, all animals, birds and reptiles all affect our environment. Volcanoes, and the climate itself change the future climate. But the biggest cause of climate change is the sun.

    Whatever influence we create, large or small, we have to be smart, listen, learm and do our best to do right by our planet. But, damn, don't be sheep. Learn, understand, explore, discuss... And keep an open mind. Maybe it is like raising children. There is no right and no wrong, just different ways to raise our kids. We do the best we can, and learn as we do. And one thing is sure: We only really learn from our mistakes, not our successes.
    Why Is It Raining So Much? Climate Change In Brattleboro
    Authored by: cgrotke on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 02:01 PM GMT+4
    None of the scientists, meteorologists, authors, peer reviewers, etc.
    said it was the sun. None. We looked.

    If anyone can find some reliable evidence that it is the sun, not
    humans, please point us to it. I've heard the opinion that it is the sun
    and not man, but couldn't find expressed by any of the current
    reports.

    I again point to "E" above for a discussion of "but it was cold long
    ago..."

    And please re-read the piece. We didn't say you have to do a thing.
    You can do nothing, drive an SUV, cut down trees, build a wind
    turbine, or club seals with the information. All it is is what people are
    saying, summarized. We intentionally left out any recommendations
    to do anything.

    It is your right to ignore everything we found. For each sheep there
    can be an ostrich. : )

    The thing is, all of the above is going on, be it human, sun or
    martians that are causing it. And that's why it has been raining so
    much.
    Excellet if lengthy article on "consensus" in salon
    Authored by: Rolf on Friday, July 10 2009 @ 05:04 AM GMT+4
    http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/02/27/global_warming_deniers/

    Three excerpts,

    "In fact, science doesn't work by consensus of opinion. Science is in many respects the exact opposite of decision by consensus. General opinion at one point might have been that the sun goes around the Earth, or that time was an absolute quantity, but scientific theory supported by observations overturned that flawed worldview."

    "But in any case, nothing could be more irrelevant to climate science than the opinion of people on the list such as Weather Channel founder John Coleman or famed inventor Ray Kurzweil (who actually does "think global warming is real"). Or, for that matter, my opinion -- even though I researched a Ph.D. thesis at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography on physical oceanography in the Greenland Sea."


    "The bottom line is that recent observations and research make clear the planet almost certainly faces a greater and more imminent threat than is laid out in the IPCC reports. That's why climate scientists are so desperate. That's why they keep begging for immediate action. And that's why the "consensus on global warming" is a phrase that should be forever retired from the climate debate."

    Another, bottom line, I might add, is that in science, we never state what is "true" or proven, we merely set up theories and then try to knock them down. The best theory, the one that is hardest to knock down, becomes the current one that the majority of scientists accept as most likely.

    Currently, the theory that meets that description is that global warming is drastically influenced by man made contributions of greenhouse gasses. Thus we must act to limit these gasses.

    This is radically different than saying there is a consensus.

    Rolf

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    Dreams Trump Video

    Raising children is unfortunately not a science
    Authored by: pjmelton on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 02:20 PM GMT+4
    "There is no right and no wrong, just different ways to raise our kids."

    There are actually several wrong ways to raise kids. For an extreme case, read about that stepfather in Bennington. But there are other wrong ways to raise kids that are not so obviously horrific. And there are several right ways to raise kids, not just one.

    But raising kids is not a science. This is simply no comparison between child rearing and climate theory. There is no room for opinions about what is happening and why it is happening. Human-caused global climate change is an established scientific fact.

    The opinions involve what to DO about it. That is where we can have several right and several wrong answers, just like with child rearing. And burying your head in the sand is one of the wrong answers.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Why Is It Raining So Much? Climate Change In Brattleboro
    Authored by: annikee on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 08:30 PM GMT+4
    If we know that carbon speeds climate change, what is the wrong in trying to curb it?

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    Freedom and fear are natural enemies.

    Believing gossip is worse than spreading it.
    Why Is It Raining So Much? Climate Change In Brattleboro
    Authored by: spoon on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 09:56 PM GMT+4
    I rarely see anyone arguing that we have to change our life style. We merely have to reduce atmospheric pollution to a point that global heating ceases and then reverses. That should be the common sense of purpose. If we can do that, and do it in a way that doesn't do other damage elsewhere, I am all for maintaining our lifestyles.

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    spoon agave
    Why Is It Raining So Much? Climate Change In Brattleboro
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 10:38 PM GMT+4
    "I rarely see anyone arguing that we have to change our life style."

    http://www.kunstler.com/

    Others have said we must conserve more energy through reduction of
    air travel, reduction of auto travel, reduction of trucking long distances
    and replacing with trains. In fact, building trains would be the first
    thing I would advocate as a "New Infrastructure" program if I were
    president. Big projects like rail really depend on action at the federal
    level, like what FDR did with hydroelectric and rural electrification
    planning. Also, rethinking how we develop our cities: Americans could
    learn from the Europeans on this. Auto-dependent sprawl is the wrong
    way to go. Lastly, we could change our lifestyle by eating more
    locally-grown food, eating when things are in season, and doing things
    like improving insulation of buildings. We have to cut coal almost
    entirely out, and cut oil use drastically, and some, such as James
    Lovelock, say nuclear power in the short run may be a pragmatic
    trade off in the short run if we want to use it to make solar panels
    and wind turbines. In the long run however we really need to rethink
    how we as a nation do things, and this requires leadership, the kind
    that got us retooled dramatically after 1941 to get on an emergency
    war footing. Hitler said Americans would never be able to give up
    automobile production, and that we were too lazy, caring only of
    eating hamburgers and ice cream to fight in Europe. He
    underestimated us. I think the right wing underestimates the willpower
    and ingenuity of Americans as well, and underestimates how quickly
    many people would change their lifestyles if given the right kind of
    leadership (i.e. if Big Oil were told to shut up by Obama and
    Congress, who have whored themselves to the influence and money of
    the oil and coal lobbies).
    Betraying the Planet
    Authored by: Tad Montgomery on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 02:03 PM GMT+4
    What has intrigued me these last few rainy weeks is the downpours without wind. I can remember a whole lot of thunderstorms from throughout my life, but this phenomenon of a still thunderstorm is surreal.

    Here's an article on the politics of Global Climate Change.

    Betraying the Planet
    by Paul Krugman, NYTimes

    "So the House passed the Waxman-Markey climate-change bill. In political terms, it was a remarkable achievement.

    "But 212 representatives voted no. A handful of these no votes came from representatives who considered the bill too weak, but most rejected the bill because they rejected the whole notion that we have to do something about greenhouse gases.

    Full story:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/29/opinion/29krugman.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=%22Betraying%20the%20Planet&st=cse
    Global Warming is a Moral Problem
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 02:45 PM GMT+4
    I will go out on a limb here, like Dr. James Hansen and Al Gore have
    done, and say that it DOES matter which side you are on with respect
    to what you think about global warming and the causes. I say they are
    man-made, and that if we (mankind) don't curb our emissions of CO-
    2, a lot of people are going to die, more than died in the holocaust of
    WWII. There were those in America prior to Pearl Harbor who: a)
    debated whether a mass execution of people was happening in Europe
    at all; and/or b) who said that even if such an execution was going
    on, America couldn't do anything about it and that our country should
    stay neutral, out of the conflict. These were Republicans primarily in
    the Midwest, the Lindbergh-led "America Firsters". Senator Taft (GOP)
    of Ohio was the party leader, but to be fair, not ALL Republicans
    were isolationists (Willkie was not for example). Many however,
    including FDR, said it was our moral obligation to stand up to fascism,
    starting with Lend-Lease to aid Great Britain, and later with direct
    involvement in American arms and personnel. This was the morally
    right thing to do.

    The same could be said for fighting global warming, except that the
    threat of not doing something is even worse. If we ignore our carbon
    emissions, millions will die. The planet will suffer, and also species of
    other animal life will be wiped out. What kind of "immoral idiot"
    would oppose our fighting this? Clearly, the moral thing to do is to
    side with those who want to solve the problem, or at least give it our
    best effort. Those who oppose doing this should just GET OUT OF THE
    WAY. Their inaction actually is a crime. It's pretty cut and dried at this
    point. Global warming is a moral problem that we cannot ignore.
    Global Warming is a Moral Problem
    Authored by: pjmelton on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 03:02 PM GMT+4
    I could not agree more.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Global Warming is a Moral Problem
    Authored by: spinoza on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 03:57 PM GMT+4
    I'll take this metaphor one step further.

    One of the great dangers we face in this challenge is an age old human foible; HUBRIS.

    Hitler might not have lost it all had he not stopped in Albania to have a prolonged late autumn season bloodbath, thereby getting him to Russia in a weakened state in the cold winter.

    The deniers, and postponers are playing a dangerous game. Saying 'adding immense quantities of carbon to the atmosphere is no guarantee we are the source of the problem'- it's like saying - if I set the house on fire that's no guarantee it'll burn people inside.

    I fear and lament hubris in people as much as anything.
    Hubris
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 07:58 PM GMT+4
    Why Is It Raining So Much? Climate Change In Brattleboro
    Authored by: vtstream on Thursday, July 09 2009 @ 09:46 PM GMT+4
    I agree with everything the compiled reports say. I'm just not sure that its all necessarily a problem.

    Climate has ALWAYS changed. It is a dynamic process that constantly changes based on a number of factors. Man made causes? Yes. Natural causes? Yes. Cosmic causes? Yes. These things we know and continue to learn about as we observe nature.

    Here in New England I fail to see climate warming as a problem but rather a condition that we will need to deal with. Some of us will be able to adapt. others will not. Most of us will be fine, that is, as long as we try to design our lives around self sufficiency and adaptation. New Englanders (Vermonters in particular) have been good at this. The ones that were not....they moved West.

    If we depend on large multinational food producers, water suppliers, transportation providers, energy providers, then we put ourselves in jeopardy because these large organizations are entrenched in their investments. There is an economy of scale but the current system of supplying goods to people has gone way beyond the efficient stage to one that lacks resiliance and adaptability.

    We Americans have become very accustomed to having everything we need. We have gladly turned the responsibility of providing this to efficient mega businesses. We may need to actually work harder to continue to have everything we need if these mega systems fail.

    My worry is not for New England but for the rest of the world. Over population, lack of clean water, the list of deficits is long. I doubt New England can become the breadbasket of the world that the mid-west now is. Those in need will come knocking, no, pounding on our doors.

    So reducing carbon emissions is not something we do because it might slow OUR climate here in New England. It is something we do because it will slow the change globally and give us a little more time to adapt before countless numbers of hungry people from elsewhere demand their fair share.
    Just for Fun
    Authored by: Lise on Friday, July 10 2009 @ 12:46 PM GMT+4
    Here's my favorite movie trailer of 2009:

    http://www.hulu.com/watch/44665/movie-trailers-2012
    Just for Fun
    Authored by: George Tirebiter on Friday, July 10 2009 @ 12:58 PM GMT+4
    Damn! And I had planned that trip to the Caribbean in 2013.

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    "Oh, was it a joke, you mean?"
    - John Cage
    El Nino
    Authored by: SJD on Friday, July 10 2009 @ 01:13 PM GMT+4
    El Nino will contribute some climate change factors...

    http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090709_elnino.html

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    Drive Liberals Crazy; be responsible, prosper, and choose life

    Past warming shows gaps
    Authored by: SJD on Wednesday, July 15 2009 @ 06:48 PM GMT+4

    http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-41050320090715

    This just says there is still a lot we don't know, yet...

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    Drive Liberals Crazy; be responsible, prosper, and choose life

    Past warming shows gaps
    Authored by: pjmelton on Wednesday, July 15 2009 @ 10:30 PM GMT+4
    No, it does not "just say there's a lot we don't know yet." It says something very specific: they don't know why a similar warming trend went past 1 to 2 degrees and zoomed up to 5 to 6 degrees, and therefore they're worried that there might be a similar cascading effect this time around: "If this additional warming which we do not really understand, was caused as a response to the CO2 warming, then there is a chance that also a future warming could be more intense than people anticipate right now," Zeebe said."

    Note that the basic assumption is that RIGHT NOW climate change is happening as a result of CO2. That's something we KNOW. There may be things we don't know, but whether a global climate catastrophe is already is process is not one of those things. We know that.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
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