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    "Clowns To The Left Of Me, Jokers To The Right...."    
    Sunday, August 16 2009 @ 01:11 AM GMT+4
    Contributed by: GSamson

    OpinionThis story, from the ongoing Netroots Convention (formerly the YearlyKos Convention) of progressive bloggers and activists in Pittsburgh, provides yet another example of how boorish, intolerant behavior transcends party labels:


    "Obama Advisor Valarie Jarrett Heckled And Hissed At Netroots Nation
    By Sam Stein, Huffington Post

    One year ago at the Netroots Nation conference in Austin, Texas the mood of the crowd was one of excitement and elation over the possibility of a Barack Obama presidency.

    A year later, with that possibility achieved, a sense of cynicism has begun to creep in. On Saturday morning, one of the president's closest advisers, Valerie Jarrett addressed the Netroots Nation conference in Pittsburgh. And while attendees were largely supportive throughout the question and answer session, the reception was warm at best. The defining moment, in fact, came when Jarrett was hissed and heckled....."


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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/15/valarie-jarrett-heckled-a_n_260329.html

     

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  • "Clowns To The Left Of Me, Jokers To The Right...." | 13 comments | Create New Account
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    "Clowns To The Left Of Me, Jokers To The Right...."
    Authored by: sender on Sunday, August 16 2009 @ 10:59 PM GMT+4
    Not too surprising, given that Obama is rapidly becoming the Blue Dog President. Never supported single payer; now has dumped the Public Option, offering instead the plan to turn over health reform to the insurance companies.
    Not too surprising from the person who failed to stop illegal spying on US citizens (FISA); still has Gitmo as an ongoing concern; says he will consider holding alleged terrorists after they have been acquitted (which even BUSH was unwilling to propose), won't stop Don't Ask/Don't Tell, even though as Commander in Chief,he can do it by executive order, etc.
    Kinda makes one wish that Hillary or Edwards had been the candidate - both far more progressive than Obama. Might not have agreed with everything Hillary stood for, but at least she stands and fights for something.
    Clowns
    Authored by: annikee on Sunday, August 16 2009 @ 11:04 PM GMT+4
    Amen. Obama was always too far right for me, but it came down to him... or McCain. Yeeesh.

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    Freedom and fear are natural enemies.

    Believing gossip is worse than spreading it.
    Progressive Hypocrits
    Authored by: mr.mike on Sunday, August 16 2009 @ 11:50 PM GMT+4
    How the hell can you agree with that statement after I got lambasted for saying Hillary is a Progressive in my post?

    Sender, I hope you get the same response I got for saying Hillary is more Progressive than Obama.

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    Want to see how bad the U.S. will be in a few years?

    Look at Vermont.
    An inconvenient truth
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Monday, August 17 2009 @ 12:19 AM GMT+4
    You didn't get lambasted for saying Hillary Clinton is more progressive than Obama. You got lambasted for saying Hillary Clinton is a progressive. The first may or may not be true, but the second certainly isn't.



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    We Rock!
    An inconvenient truth. Ditto
    Authored by: mr.mike on Monday, August 17 2009 @ 12:35 AM GMT+4
    The real inconvenient truth is that mainstream America isn't the enlightened progressive society that you have tried to make believe it is.

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    Want to see how bad the U.S. will be in a few years?

    Look at Vermont.
    An inconvenient truth. Ditto
    Authored by: paulgardner on Monday, August 17 2009 @ 10:58 AM GMT+4
    Nixon's 2 to 1 drubbing of McGovern in my first election cured me from ever thinking of America as a progressive nation.
    We may now be more progressive than we realize, but our media is so corporatist that that news never filters through.

    mr.mike, I certainly didn't mean to lambaste you in particular about your Hillary comment.
    My over-reaction largely has to do with my anger at the Clintons themselves. They positioned themselves as liberals in '92 and immediately pivoted right upon reaching the White House - that was a DIRTY TRICK!!!!!

    Obama never did such a thing. He may have nodded and winked in our direction during the campaign, but it was pretty clear from a number of things - and especially his FISA vote that sender references that Obama was anything but liberal.

    I would not agree with sender's statement about Hillary being more progressive than Obama - I can't tell them apart frankly. Lumping Hillary and Edwards together makes no sense either in my opinion.
    Edwards was my preferred candidate, but he was no match for Obama on the campaign trail where Obama was/is a rock star.
    Does anyone else notice how the White House likes to put President O in a campaign like setting when ever things get sticky politics-wise?
    An incomplete truth
    Authored by: xteeth on Tuesday, August 18 2009 @ 02:48 PM GMT+4
    Have you seen "A Bright Shining Moment?" This 2:1 drubbing was in fact a very near thing. The argument is made that without the Eagleton affair, it might very well have gone the other way. It is only a sad retrospective thing that all the stuff that McGovern said about Nixon and Watergate should have reversed the result as it was true. But then, we still have half the country that believes that Saddam was involved in 9/11. Our elections oft times reveal their basis in falsehoods only after the fact when that lying is revealed.

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    "Some people cause happiness wherever they go, others whenever they go." Oscar Wilde
    An inconvenient huh?
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Monday, August 17 2009 @ 11:24 AM GMT+4
    Whoa yeah, you really got me pegged. I'm always talking about how progressive American society is. HA ha ha ha ha.

    Mainstream society in this county is only just starting to see how screwed we are after three decades of control by the extreme right. At this point, I'd say mainstream society is center-right, headed for the center.

    The right has, and still can, encourage Americans to act against their own interests by manipulating their fear, anger, hatred, and lies. It's the stock and trade of this nation's rightwing.
    The neocons, apparently, started to believe their own lies.


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    We Rock!
    An inconvenient truth right backatcha
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Monday, August 17 2009 @ 11:30 AM GMT+4
    I guess you didn't read your own thread, where I said:

    "This country is so skewed to the extreme right that it makes progressives appear to be radicals. Look at the originator of this post, who is so far to the right that he believes the center-right Clintons are "progressive."

    http://www.ibrattleboro.com/article.php/20090811215413615#comments

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    We Rock!

    "Clowns To The Left Of Me, Jokers To The Right...."
    Authored by: GSamson on Monday, August 17 2009 @ 02:21 AM GMT+4
    So, from looking at the thoughts of Sender and Annikee, should I
    conclude that hissing, interrupting and shouting down a person who is
    trying to speak and answer questions (in this case, the Presidential
    Advisor Valarie Jarrett) is ok, as long as you are in political sympathy
    with the hissers, interrupters and shouters?
    "Clowns To The Left Of Me, Jokers To The Right...."
    Authored by: sender on Monday, August 17 2009 @ 10:31 AM GMT+4
    let me be clear - I was responding only to the "cynicism" part of the post. I am absolutely opposed to the orchestrated right-wing shoutdown behavior at these Town Halls ( as well as what happened to Leahy/Douglas in Brattleboro, from a few on the Left).
    "Clowns To The Left Of Me, Jokers To The Right...."
    Authored by: GSamson on Tuesday, August 18 2009 @ 04:59 PM GMT+4
    I appreciate your response, sender. One thing that frustrates me is the
    extent to which our country's cultural tendency to embrace extremes
    even infects the way we view strategies for conducting "successful"
    dissent. It seems that many people see two alternatives: 1) yell,
    scream and carry on with unobstructed passion, or 2) be completely
    phlegmatic, limp and ineffectual.

    I say let's hook up our passion to reason. We need BOTH.
    "Clowns To The Left Of Me, Jokers To The Right...."
    Authored by: sender on Tuesday, August 18 2009 @ 07:55 PM GMT+4
    I am not sure that the problem of uncivil discourse is peculiar to the good ole USA. Seems pretty widespread to me. The recent Town Hall protests are interesting in that the veil has been pulled back a bit, so we can see some of the orchestration going on.
    The ACLU and Common Cause have been debating the issue of whether political speech includes the right to spend relatively unlimited political money. A complicated issue to analyze, but we are seeing political money being put to use to create the drama of the Town Hall protests. Hmmmm.
    Otherwise, I am far more concerned with the new made-for-TV images of guns being brought to political events and arguments. Not a trend O am comfortable with.....
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