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    Brattleboro Roosters Reveal Themselves    
    Thursday, October 22 2009 @ 02:06 AM GMT+4
    Contributed by: cgrotke

    Home & GardenCluck, cluck, cluck.

    Brattleboro allows homeowners to raise chickens in neighborhoods around town. It's a great way to increase the local food supply and learn about raising chickens.

    We have a few chickens in the 'tree streets." In general, the chickens are relatively quiet. A few clucks here and there, but they make for pretty good neighbors.

    Recently, though, some chicken owners in Brattleboro have heard a different sound from their henhouses.

    Cock-a-doodle do!

    Yes, despite best efforts to determine the sex and sort out the males, at least two chicken coop owners have watched chicks grow into roosters. Our neighbors are one of the lucky ones.

    It was kind of funny for all of us. We had gotten used to the chickens and their quiet clucking over the summer. My own thoughts were turning to what happens to them as it gets colder outside. Tiny scarves?

    Last week an odd sound came from the direction of the chickens. Odd for a chicken, but not for a rooster. It was the tell-tale sound of a proud male crowing, and the sound was confirmed as the sun came up the next day.

    He's a young fellow, and not that loud yet, but his owner was soon at our door apologizing and promising that a new home would be found for him as soon as possible. No problem.

    A few days later, I got an email from another friend, looking for a home for another newly-discovered rooster, also in town. I wrote back to find out more. It was a similar story.

    A rooster, like nudity, is not allowed in Brattleboro. This puts chicken coop owners in a tough spot. The rooster has to go. As one rooster-discoverer put it, "We are all sad, as he is hand raised, and very friendly!"

    She didn't want to see her rooster end up in a stew. "He is doing great.  As he is immature, he doesn't know yet that he has to leave.  He hasn't started cockadoodle doing yet, and his cocky comb just sprouted up last week!"

    According to chicken raising sites, there are four main ways to sex a chick - by color, by noticing differences in its feathers, by looking at their...uh.. tiny parts, or waiting until it is old enough to see an obvious difference.

    Many sites say waiting and seeing is easiest, reliable, and fun.

    If you do wait until the chicks start to grow, you can identify a rooster by looking for a larger comb. It can also have shinier, more pointed tail-feathers, and will crow. Females have smaller combs, rounded tail feathers, and lay eggs. The males will begin attempts at crowing as their voices change.

    Chicken-raising sites warn against old wives tales, such as watching which way an object spins when it is held over the chick to determine sex, and encourage chicken-raisers to enjoy the process of watching the chickens grow while keeping a close eye out for signs of male development.

    Where will these young roosters go if they aren't allowed in town? Rooster discoverers are asking area farms, contacting friends, and placing online ads to find roosters legal residences outside of Brattleboro.

    Roosters can be difficult to place. They have a reputation.

    One owner described his situation this way "He's docile.  He even jumped up on my lap yesterday.  I've seen him open doors for the hens.  We have offered him to several chicken-keeping people, but they have declined, mentioning roosters hurting other chickens."

    Rooster raising sites remind people that the birds are good protection for a flock, they eat bugs, can fertilize eggs, and act as a good alarm clock. Others add that rooster tail feathers can be sold if they fall out, and that they are fun and funny birds with interesting personalities.

    If you have a home for a rooster or two, let us know. If you've discovered a rooster, tell us your story. And if you raise chickens in Brattleboro, consider contacting Tad Montgomery. He'd like to get Brattleboro Chickeners to tour each others' coops, pet the birds, and talk shop from time to time. You can reach him at eco@TadMontgomery.com.

     

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    Brattleboro Roosters Reveal Themselves
    Authored by: SpudHill on Thursday, October 22 2009 @ 07:54 AM GMT+4
    Your little scarves comment made me think about this...your neighbors do know that their chickens won't make it through the winters here in sweaters and knit caps I hope. They need a stove or else the neighbors had best start outfitting their basement real quickly or they'll have frozen chickens without any effort.

    The poor little rooster I hope he doesn't end up someone's dinner. Unfortunately I live in town also or I'd offer to take him.

    Nice story Chris.
    Brattleboro Roosters Shiver
    Authored by: pjmelton on Thursday, October 22 2009 @ 10:40 AM GMT+4
    "They need a stove or else the neighbors had best start outfitting their basement real quickly or they'll have frozen chickens without any effort."

    Based on what I learned at the Fair Winds Farm backyard chickens workshop, as long as they have wind protection, they will be fine. If you want to warm them in subzero temps, you can use a heat lamp. Like they do with Chicken McNuggets.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Brattleboro Roosters Shiver
    Authored by: SpudHill on Thursday, October 22 2009 @ 10:57 AM GMT+4
    "Like they do with Chicken McNuggets"
    Pretty funny!
    Wow, I would have thought they'd freeze....like in the Hannaford's frozen poultry section"
    Do they sort of sub-hibernate?
    Brattleboro Roosters Shiver
    Authored by: pjmelton on Thursday, October 22 2009 @ 11:30 AM GMT+4
    "Do they sort of sub-hibernate?"

    No, I think they just huddle together and keep each other warm. They have all that down. Bekah at Fair Winds Farm did mention that sometimes they can get frost bite on their combs on a super-cold night, which is why some people use a McNuggets lamp.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Let the Rooster Stay on the Roost!
    Authored by: Genie on Thursday, October 22 2009 @ 12:20 PM GMT+4

    Rah, Rah, Roosters!

    I was awoken early this morning--seemingly in the night--to the sound of someone pounding nails or sawing. Maintenance & constructive workers begin at 7:00am and earlier in the summer. They are not banned from town, albeit I live on the outskirts. But what about the loud noise of snowplows, garbage trucks(beep, beep, beep), tractor trailors, in the wee hours. We let them do their noisy thing.

    It's time for all roosters in town to organize a rousting Roosting Union.

    It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature.
    Genie

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    Wonders Never Cease.
    Let the Rooster Stay on the Roost!
    Authored by: SpudHill on Thursday, October 22 2009 @ 12:59 PM GMT+4
    Yes, I agree Rooster of Brattleboro unite!
    I myself also would prefer waking to the crowing of a rooster than the buzzing of a chain saw.
    Let the Rooster Stay on the Roost!
    Authored by: pjmelton on Thursday, October 22 2009 @ 02:34 PM GMT+4
    I guess it depends on the rooster. Some crow at odd hours, or all. day. long.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Raising Chickens
    Authored by: tiny on Thursday, October 22 2009 @ 04:32 PM GMT+4
    I have chickens. Here's my story.
    I adopted 8 White Crested Black Polish this summer after my flock was wiped out. Once I "sexed" the chickens, I sold 2 hens on Craig's List (actually donated them because the buyer was a school teacher who uses them in class and I thought it was cool) and the other three I gave to a local nonprofit farm that works with kids. I kept a trio, 1 rooster and 2 hens to have eggs and raise chicks next year for the non-profit farm and also to use for a local school for their science class.

    I also bought 15 chicks from Eggbid.com. Wheaten Marans, they lay super darkbrown-red eggs. 8 hens, 7 roosters. The Marans are dual purpose, eggs and meat birds. My plan was to keep one or two roosters for mating and dress the remaining ones. Turns out I found a local gentleman who loves old chickens for making soups and pot pies. He says they have better flavor as they get older. He also said he would give back a rooster if the one I have dies or I need another one for any other reason. Plus we swap eggs, produce, wine and other cool stuff.

    The roosters were all cool when they were little. Then one day, they became men. What a pain. Crowing came at all hours, starting at 3 AM and going all day. Some the roosters started fighting with each other and then forcing themselves on the ladies, pecking holes in their skin and removing feathers. Very brutal and unpleasant. You really should have a ratio of one rooster for every 8-10 hens.

    Chickens are really interesting, complex creatures but can be very nasty to each other. I went into the whole ownership thing knowing this was not a pet like a dog or cat, but were going to be part of my diet. This perspective put a different spin on them. Does this mean I treat them less then my beloved dog or cat? The answer is no. because they are part of my diet, we treat them very well.

    I also use the chicken poop for my garden. Besides corn, my chickens eat table scraps and other items I use to compose .
    Raising Chickens
    Authored by: annikee on Thursday, October 22 2009 @ 06:33 PM GMT+4
    Good on you, tiny, for sharing. I hope more peep do so, after reading your story. We had a pet rooster in 3rd grade, in NYC. It's important for kids to be familiar with nature in an up close way.



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    Raising Chickens
    Authored by: tiny on Thursday, October 22 2009 @ 07:47 PM GMT+4
    My kids wanted to understand where food comes from. At first i got the chickens as a curiosity, you know, 25 mixed selection from mcMurray hatchery. Keep some, give some away. But once we got into it, our preceptions of chickens changed. One day in class, my daughter's teacher asked the class, where would you get food if the supermarket had nothing tomorrow. My daughter made a joke, "I'd go into my dad's basement and get a chicken." Well, the kids all laughed but it started a discussion that continued for weeks, visits to the house,etc.

    When the flock was killed, we decided to start over but to pick new chickens for the right reasons. Marans, as I mentioned, are dual purpose chickens (meat and eggs) and their eggs have a value as being a distinctive color. We also wanted to raiseeggs for incubation and sell chicks next spring because my chickens have a pedigree (can you believe it?!) But this chicken thing is interesting and there are lots of nutty folks out there doing it.
    Check out these websites

    Http://www.mypetchicken.com
    general chicken info

    Http://www.hopesandrow.com

    artist with a chicken cam. She was profiled in the NY Times last summer

    Http://www.eggbid.com
    source for eggs, chickens and other stuff

    Http://www.omlet.co.uk
    very cool henhuts made of plastic for neighborhoods and design by grads of london school of design


    Melton asked a great question about chickens keeping warm. I've been told chickens do not keep warm via huddling together but rather their body can regulate their internal temp. I don't know the details but it is something I have been trying to research. A heat lamp is good for when it gets below freezing, but i have read of a guy in Montana who raises Dorkings with no heat lamps in the snow.
    Chickens have an interesting social system or "pecking order." You would think they are the smartest animals but they eat poop and that kind of makes me wonder how smart they are! Oh and for what it is worth, I have not named any of the chickens, because they would not come to their name. They do approach me when I say chicken.





    Raising Chickens
    Authored by: annikee on Thursday, October 22 2009 @ 10:17 PM GMT+4
    I've a cousin with what's become a fairly large organic poultry ranch and garlic farm. She sells out on eggs every week, and as they're Marlans too, they are as we write, off to slaughter. It'll all start again in the spring with the few hundred chicks. They're onto turkeys next week, after the garlic is in. After the November bird rush, she and her hubby'll get a rest.

    When I was a child visiting upstate NY relatives, their chickens were mean, and I had no remorse in their slaughter.

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    Freedom and fear are natural enemies.

    A lie runs round the world while the truth ties its shoelaces.
    Raising Chickens
    Authored by: annikee on Thursday, October 22 2009 @ 10:22 PM GMT+4
    PS Hope Sandrow's chicken shots are beauty. Thanks.

    And dunno where the L got into Maran. Don't read what you write, booboos happen.

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    Freedom and fear are natural enemies.

    A lie runs round the world while the truth ties its shoelaces.
    Brattleboro Roosters Reveal Themselves
    Authored by: cgrotke on Thursday, October 22 2009 @ 09:04 PM GMT+4
    I'd also like to put in a plug for raising ducklings.

    We used to get 6-8 duckings in the spring and raise them over the
    summer, then would let them go in a wildlife refuge (Montezuma) in
    the autumn.

    Ducks are fun and funny. They like to follow you around.

    My sister used to have furry yellow pajamas and the ducklings would
    come over and nibble at her.

    It was fun watching them go from furry little nothings into little ducks,
    then full adults. It was also sad to see them go at the end of the
    season but we knew it was best.
    Around the kitchen with a cock a doodle doo
    Authored by: Rolf on Friday, October 23 2009 @ 08:11 AM GMT+4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKSnyS-vmkg

    I have always loved this song, but always wondered what a crowing rooster was doing in the kitchen.

    Only roosters in the kitchen that I know of are not moving, not crowing and lack all their feathers.

    I love roosters, and chickens, and have a hard time stopping eating them, which is a personal goal of mine.


    I personally severed their heads from off their necks, when I was living on a large cooperatively run farm house, and just couldn't do it anymore after awhile. See, I liked their crowing at 4:30 AM. I loved it in fact. And their silly strutting and posing, and preening, and courtship dance, and their whole roosteriness thing they got going on.

    And they clearly preferred having their necks intact. Bottom line, for me, beans got no nerve endings. So, I am trying. Really I am.

    But chickens taste so damn good,

    and I don't really know how to cook beans.

    Anyone got any great bean recipees?

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    Around the kitchen with a cock a doodle doo
    Authored by: SpudHill on Friday, October 23 2009 @ 12:12 PM GMT+4
    My grandfather raised Rhode Island Reds and one of my favorite childhood memories is going to the hardware/farmer's supply store with him in the spring when the chicks he'd order came in. We would pick up 4 or 5 boxes that look like the old doughnut boxes. Pretty flat rectangles with holes on the sides. And as you lifted each lid there were dozens of soft fluffy yellow baby chicks cheeping and looking a little confused. Baby ducks and chicks have to be the cutest baby animals....something really sweet about them. But I never remember him leaving them in the henhouse without heat...in fact as I remember he had rigged up some sort of little stove but my memory might be failing me. There was definitely some sort of heat source because I also remember the hen house being the only warm outer building in winter.

    My other most memorable encounter with a chicken was years later when to my embarassment and chagrin I found myself being chased by a male banty rooster but heh, he was going for my face and he was fierce....or at least a lot fiercer than me.

    I've toyed with the idea of getting a few chickens everyone I grew up around had a few and then Tiny and I could finally have something in common! But I worry about the skunks and racoons getting them and that would be too traumatic....I'm a little sentimental about these things, never could butcher them although I certainly grew up around headless chickens and a grandpa with an axe but think I'm not capable of doing that. The eggs though.......but am I right, we get a lot of racoons, I would think they'd go after them.
    Around the kitchen with a cock a doodle doo
    Authored by: cgrotke on Friday, October 23 2009 @ 03:33 PM GMT+4
    I haven't seen any other animals taking much interest in any of the
    chickens near us, and we get occasional skunks, raccoons, etc wandering
    by. I was a bit worried that our cats would take an interest, but even
    they don't seem to have the chickens on their list. Moles beware, though.

    Maybe you should start a rooster adoption service... : )
    Around the kitchen with a cock a doodle doo
    Authored by: tiny on Friday, October 23 2009 @ 04:19 PM GMT+4
    Responding to the last 2 posts....
    When you get baby chicks and are raising them yourself, yes indeed, you need a heat source. The first week 95 degrees and then drop it 5 degrees each week, for 6 weeks or until the chicks feather out. I did this the first time around, but my "summer" hatch 2 weeks and out to the hen house. If you have a hen or a broody subsitute, heat isn't necessary.


    As for getting sentimental about chickens, well, it is easy to do, but chickens are at risk for getting nailed by varments. My flock was wiped out in 15 minutes by a fishercat. Raccoons, weasels, hawks, coyotes, dogs and cats are all potential varments and there are others I have left out. The solution to keeping them alive is a bullet proof pen. Friends have told me having a 4 legged friend around them helps too. Something like a donkey, mule, pig or goat.

    Chickens are too interesting to get too sentimental about. What do I mean? If one really wants to understand sustainable living on an ongoing basis, raise some chickens. This article spells it out better than I can explain it.

    Http://www.mypetchicken.com/about-chickens/sustainable_living_with_chickens.aspx

    Once you have them and live the experience, you will not be sentimental to the point of crippling you, but you will not become so callous that it is easy to kill them. You just become more knowledgeable. laying hens onlt do there thing for 2-3 years and then they hit the stew pot or farmers compost them. I mean, chcickens are chickens, not a domesticated pet that you curl up with and hang with!

    So Spud, get a couple of hens from craigslists or from a local farmer. Should cost you no more than 20 bucks, rig a cage and go for it. You will learn about sustainable living, chickens, composting, and lots of other stuff. yeah, I guess we'll have something in common, but more important, you will learn more than you know about sustainable living, you will live it constantly.
    Around the kitchen with a cock a doodle doo
    Authored by: SpudHill on Friday, October 23 2009 @ 06:31 PM GMT+4
    Tiny I know a lot about sustainable living....having grown up with struggling family farmers on one side of the family and not so struggling but still some very intense farming genes on the other.

    I grew up "helping" out so am very familiar with what's involved re farm life. I must say though it didn't hit me until years later that Grandpa would name the cows for each of us kids and then slaughter them later. I think he'd probably just keep changing the names so we didn't know he'd slaughtered Pam or Bobby. There was a minor mutiny however of grandkids when he decided to get rabbits...everyone was so excited until we found out he planned on getting Meat rabbits....well let me tell you that was something even these somewhat uncitified kids couldn't get over and grandpa gave up that plan. So it was pigs, chickens, cows, the huge garden and horses...pretty basic but enough to get by on.

    In fact I must say that I had some of the sausage today from the North End Butchers and it was almost as good as my grandfathers.....highly recommend it.

    And yeah I know I probably should move beyond the sentimental stage re the chickens but I'm kinda thankful I have the option (which my famiy/grandparents didn't) of not slaughtering them and just doing it for the eggs. I'm going to think about it very seriously.

    You've actually been very helpful with the chicken info thanks
    Sit-on pets
    Authored by: pjmelton on Friday, October 23 2009 @ 07:28 PM GMT+4
    I had friends in college (from County Galway) whose mother raised goats. One year they came home from school in Dublin to find she had slaughtered the goats, cooked them, and covered the dining room chairs with their skins. They have been vegetarians ever since.

    While chickens can have interesting personalities, I get the sense that people don't get as attached to their birds as they do to their mammals. A bird's way of communicating is so different from ours.

    Anyway, even if you got the birds, you could just eat the eggs without worrying about cutting off anyone's head.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Sit-on pets
    Authored by: SpudHill on Friday, October 23 2009 @ 10:17 PM GMT+4
    O'mgod that goat story is going to stick in my mind.

    As to birds let's reword to chickens and fowl, once you have a bird that can talk and say it's name your thoughts about birds can change dramatically.
    Conversational pets
    Authored by: pjmelton on Saturday, October 24 2009 @ 08:53 AM GMT+4
    Have you had a talking bird?

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Around the kitchen with a cock a doodle doo
    Authored by: mr.mike on Saturday, October 24 2009 @ 12:39 AM GMT+4
    I've been raising Cornish Rocks for the last 2 yrs. I've done 3 batches of birds this year. These are strictly meat birds. The only predator i had to deal with was my 4 month old yellow lab. She got one and dropped the last batch down to 8. These birds have a very mellow temperment even the roosters. The only thing that concerns me is these birds are GMO'd to grow fast and huge. In 8 weeks they're ready for slaughter and you can have birds that are about 10 lbs dressed out if you feed them enough. But at least I know what they're eating and that some illegal alien isn't taking a leak on them at a processing plant.

    Nothing worse than tequila chicken

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    Around the kitchen with a cock a doodle doo
    Authored by: tiny on Saturday, October 24 2009 @ 12:23 PM GMT+4
    Those Cornish Rocks get huge in such a quick time. 8 weeks and they
    can't stand up straight. I had one of my buddy's recently, the chix
    weighed in a 9 pounds and tasted amazing, much better than a store,
    very fresh. That's cool that you do 8 at a time, usually it is 25
    minimum. Do you dress them all at once or as you need them? Sorry
    your pup nailed one. My terrier the same age chases our chickens, but
    hasn't caught up to them...yet.
    Around the kitchen with a cock a doodle doo
    Authored by: pjmelton on Saturday, October 24 2009 @ 05:22 PM GMT+4
    "But at least I know what they're eating and that some illegal alien isn't taking a leak on them at a processing plant."

    I have a policy of only eating chickens that fifth-generation Vermonters have peed on. Mmmmm, apple-jack chicken.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Around the kitchen with a cock a doodle doo
    Authored by: annikee on Saturday, October 24 2009 @ 07:28 PM GMT+4
    Yeah, thanks, tiny for all the chicken info. I'm always happy to hear about people doing their own food sources, and you're a font of info. And the links you provided are all very cool.

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    Freedom and fear are natural enemies.

    A lie runs round the world while the truth ties its shoelaces.
    Around the kitchen with a cock a doodle doo
    Authored by: tiny on Saturday, October 24 2009 @ 07:45 PM GMT+4
    annikee, when I started into this chicken thing last winter, little did I
    know the number of people into it. I'd go to agway, get a bag of feed
    and someone always stopped me asking about chickens. Very curious
    bunch of peole these chicken folks!. Through friends, I got turned
    onto the non profit farm and the 4H
    type stuff they do in their after school program. It is wild to see how
    the chick project works for these kids. It teaches so much about big
    issues like sustainable living, food sourcing, animal husbandry,
    composting, environmentalism but in small digestible lessons that
    show the practical results of the big issues. These are some the chicks
    I'll be raising for the kids next spring. Striking looking, docile and
    really easy to handle.

    Http://www.polishchooks.com
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