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    How Much Rain Will We Get on Christmas Day?    
    Sunday, December 20 2009 @ 03:54 PM GMT+5
    Contributed by: Mr. Buddy Love

    NatureWith Global Warming, we get more rain and ice storms in the winter and more rain in the summers, milder autumns that last into December, and Springtime that starts in March instead of in late April.

    This Christmas looks like a rain and ice event for Brattleboro. Does anyone have a prediction for how much rain we will get for Christmas this year? I'm guessing at least an inch of the wet stuff. We still might get a white Christmas, but it'll be a damp and foggy one, unless something changes at the last minute and the storm forecast to head up to Michigan and the Great Lakes turns more to the east coast. There just isn't enough cold air from the Arctic to spread around in winter anymore, since the ice caps are shrinking in size each year. Eventually when the ice caps are gone in the summer, we will have some really seriously depressing and scary weather changes. For now, it's just less reliable winters with less snow cover each year on average.

    It looks like the days of 80-90% probability of a snowy white Christmas are ending in Vermont. It's sad to see winter disappear, melting away with each warmer decade of manmade changes.

     

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    How Much Rain Will We Get on Christmas Day?
    Authored by: mr.mike on Sunday, December 20 2009 @ 08:54 PM GMT+5
    I knew it would be just a matter of time before you brought this topic up again. And just as I thought you did so while all the global elites are in Copenhagen.

    Are you posting this from Florida? Or have you been ill with the swine flu for the last few weeks? Maybe you're doing this as a joke. In case you don't have TV Buddy, N.Y. to Washington has just been hit with what they're calling the Blizzard of '09. Seems right on schedule to me. In fact some may say a little early. If you haven't been outside this past week we've had weather like we normally get in January.

    "It looks like the days of 80-90% probability of a snowy white Christmas are ending in Vermont." Really? I've still got about 6" of snow at my house. It was 0 degrees on thursday.

    Yeah, the forecast is for 49 degrees on the 26th but nowhere near the record of 60 in 1982. and just 2 yrs prior to that it was -20 quite a jump in 2 yrs. I think you'll find we're at the beginning of a cooling trend. With some small up bumps here and there. Just like I'm told that "Yeah the planets warming with some small drops in temps here and there." "But it's still warming".

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    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and the keystone under independence." George Wash
    How Much Rain Will We Get on Christmas Day?
    Authored by: cgrotke on Sunday, December 20 2009 @ 11:04 PM GMT+5
    Ahh, but if you were from DC, you'd be saying "this is weird. This
    never happens at this time of year, and rarely happens at all."

    The big snowstorm? Not an inch in Vermont. My mom in Virginia, over
    20 inches, sister near DC - 20 inches, Lise's brother in Baltimore - 14
    inches.

    This is twice this year that Virginia has gotten more snow than we
    have in Vermont.

    Yes, going South for a white Christmas. Nothing unusual about that!
    How Much Rain Will We Get on Christmas Day?
    Authored by: George Tirebiter on Monday, December 21 2009 @ 09:34 AM GMT+5
    Baltimore got 21 inches. It's a glacial Christmas.



    ---
    "Oh, was it a joke, you mean?"
    - John Cage
    How Much Rain Will We Get on Christmas Day?
    Authored by: SJD on Monday, December 21 2009 @ 11:20 AM GMT+5
    Washington DC
    28" Jan 1922
    20" Feb 13+14 1899
    18.7" Feb 1979
    17.3" Jan 1996
    16.6" Feb 1983

    Snowiest month ever
    35.2" Feb 1899 - DC
    40.5" Feb 2003 - Balitimore

    Trivia:
    The "Knickerbocker Storm" of Jan 27-28, 1922. During this storm the weight of the snow caused the roof of the Knickerbocker Theater in DC to collapse, killing 98 people and injuring 133.


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    Don't tell Obama What Comes After a Trillion.
    How Much Rain Will We Get on Christmas Day?
    Authored by: Lise on Monday, December 21 2009 @ 12:02 PM GMT+5
    Having grown up in Baltimore, I was amazed that they got a big
    December snowstorm. In my 20 years in that city, we would
    occasionally get a huge dumping of snow but always in January and
    February. This is the earliest they've gotten blizzarded in my memory.

    The weather is funny these days, and I do believe that climate change is
    upon us. What I fear most is a constant 55 degree scenario where winter
    and summer are drearily the same. But maybe they'll be wrong about
    that.
    How Much Rain Will We Get on Christmas Day?
    Authored by: cgrotke on Monday, December 21 2009 @ 12:14 PM GMT+5
    Right. Those storms always happen later - January and February.

    It is unusual for 2 big snowstorms before Xmas in the midAtlantic.

    Thanks for the data that backs this up.
    Virginia in the sixties and seventies
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Monday, December 21 2009 @ 03:07 PM GMT+5
    It has been unusual in the Mid-Atlantic for the past three or four
    decades, but in 1966 (our first Christmas in the East) we got dumped
    in Northern VA with over a foot of snow just before Christmas. It
    snowed more in the 1960s and was colder. 1967 and 1968 featured
    five below zero in Virginia, something you rarely see now. Reading old
    Civil War diaries, they used to get lots more snow in Fairfax,
    Centreville, Manassas, and Arlington than today. Starting in the 1970's
    we got less snow, and it started getting warmer (with the exception of
    the 1976/77 year when it was very cold). Even the blizzard of '79 was
    a wet one. As a kid, you notice the weather very closely because of
    days out of school and sledding days.

    On average, the Mid-Atlantic gets way less cold and snow today than
    it used to get in the 1960s and earlier.
    How Much Rain Will We Get on Christmas Day?
    Authored by: SJD on Monday, December 21 2009 @ 07:24 PM GMT+5
    http://capitalclimate.blogspot.com/2009/12/washington-dc-breaks-december-snow.html

    •National: All-time December daily (11.5″, 12-17-1932) and monthly snowfall (16.2″, 1962)
    •Dulles: All-time December daily record (10.6″, 12-12-1982) and second highest December snowfall (24.2″, 1966)
    •Baltimore: All-time December daily (11.5″, 12-17-1932) and monthly snowfall (20.4″, 1966)

    I don't think there is any story here other then weather is neither predictable or controllable. Some how if any weather event falls out side a mean average then it's pounced on with some sort of "see we told ya it's global warming..." just like the MN bridge 2007 collapse was blamed on global warming.. http://climateprogress.org/2007/08/06/did-climate-change-contribute-to-the-minneapolis-bridge-collapse/#more-1120

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    Don't tell Obama What Comes After a Trillion.

    How Much Rain Will We Get on Christmas Day?
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Tuesday, December 22 2009 @ 06:53 PM GMT+5
    Northern VA is getting RAIN on Christmas Day. That would never happen
    in the sixties, when I was a kid there. The climate is changing, and the
    winters are warming everywhere.
    Oh, SJD...
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Wednesday, December 23 2009 @ 11:00 AM GMT+5
    SJD,

    Read it and weep:
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071213101419.htm

    Nice try but facts trump your opinions.

    Love,
    Buddy
    Oh, SJD...
    Authored by: annikee on Monday, January 11 2010 @ 11:21 PM GMT+5
    Here's a good, easy-to-read article on Climate Change:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/jan/06/cold-snap-climate-sceptics

    ---
    Freedom and fear are natural enemies.

    If you've a bed, closet & fridge, you're richer than 75% of the people alive.

    How Much Rain Will We Get on Christmas Day?
    Authored by: NorahCook on Wednesday, December 23 2009 @ 04:15 PM GMT+5
    Let's have a quibble for Christmas! Mr. Mike, drink some cocoa and
    relax.
    Personally, I'm glad to hear the advise of the 95 percent of
    climatologists—who are scientists, and, by the way, do not have any
    agenda other than to seek truth, which is what the discipline of
    sciences is all about—that the Earth is burdened by an unprecedented
    amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, most likely caused by human
    activities, and, guess what, the melting of the Arctic seafloor is
    releasing methane in more-than-alarming amounts. Look it up.
    All this quibbling is kind of ridiculous when we are facing the prospect
    of telling our grandchildren that we didn't act in time to save the polar
    bear.
    How Much Rain Will We Get on Christmas Day?
    Authored by: cgrotke on Monday, December 21 2009 @ 10:26 PM GMT+5
    Christmas Day Brattleboro Forecast:

    "Partly sunny with a chance of snow in the morning. Then mostly cloudy with a chance of snow or rain in the afternoon. The high in the mid 30s. Chance of precipitation 40 percent."

    Could go either way, it seems.

    How Much Rain Will We Get on Christmas Day?
    Authored by: cgrotke on Wednesday, December 23 2009 @ 03:29 PM GMT+5
    Now it is just sunny in the forecast for Friday.

    Precipitation has been moved to the weekend.

    No rain in Brattleboro on xmas, it seems.
    How Much Rain Will We Get on Christmas Day?
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Monday, December 21 2009 @ 11:02 PM GMT+5
    ***It's sad to see winter disappear***
    Yeah, I'm so choked up with emotion... I'm going to miss it so much... Hey, I wonder if they'll be growing grapes in England again?

    ---
    We Rock!
    Gee, I wonder...
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Tuesday, December 22 2009 @ 02:56 PM GMT+5
    Gee, um, I wonder if they'll be growing coral reefs anywhere ever again?
    I wonder if there will be enough fresh water for many people in the world
    again? I wonder if mosquitos will be spreading more malaria in Vermont
    again? I wonder if Boston and NYC will be underwater?
    Gee, I wonder... Kill Cats & Dogs
    Authored by: SJD on Tuesday, December 22 2009 @ 03:05 PM GMT+5
    According to a new book; "Time to Eat the Dog: The Real Guide to Sustainable Living" http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091220/sc_afp/lifestyleclimatewarminganimalsfood

    Looks like the family pets are as much to blame for GW, even more then an SUV...

    Wow.. -now it's the family pet coming under fire. Ban the pets, protest the pet stores etc.. it's not PC to have a dog or cat around the house! I really think that some wackos won't be happy until there isn't anything left breathing on the planet.

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    Don't tell Obama What Comes After a Trillion.

    Gee, I wonder...
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Tuesday, December 22 2009 @ 04:57 PM GMT+5
    ***I wonder if they'll be growing coral reefs anywhere ever again?***
    Yes, "they" have some coral reefs planned for the Aleutian islands. They're in the permitting phase.

    ***I wonder if there will be enough fresh water for many people in the world again?***
    Yes, there will. All we have to do is bottle the melting ice caps.

    ***I wonder if mosquitos will be spreading more malaria in Vermont again?***
    Just like they did last time. I wonder if the mosquitos will edge out the black flies?

    ***I wonder if Boston and NYC will be underwater?***
    One can hope. I wonder if I'll have beachfront property?


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    We Rock!
    Gee, I wonder...
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Tuesday, December 22 2009 @ 06:54 PM GMT+5
    ***I wonder if there will be enough fresh water for many people in the
    world again?***
    Yes, there will. All we have to do is bottle the melting ice caps.

    You must be joking, right?
    Gee, I wonder...
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Wednesday, December 23 2009 @ 01:17 PM GMT+5
    Joking? Absolutely not. The fresh water in the earth's polar ice caps is a valuable resource that will be unlocked by global warming. Win/win.

    ---
    We Rock!
    WRONG.
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Wednesday, December 23 2009 @ 02:50 PM GMT+5
    The net effect of global warming will be a worldwide water shortage as
    glaciers melt and evaporate, and also melt into the sea. Your glacier ice
    cube fantasy is just that...a fantasy.

    http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2139

    also:
    http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-5266-Seattle-Environmental-
    Policy-Examiner~y2009m6d12-Global-warming-wars-water-will-become-
    more-precious-than-oil
    WONG.
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Wednesday, December 23 2009 @ 04:50 PM GMT+5
    No, no, no. That's what would happen if man wasn't here to intervene. We'll bottle some of the water, and divert most of it into reservoirs. We'll have more fresh, cold water than we know what to do with - it won't matter at all if some of it trickles into the ocean.

    Imagine drinking water that hasn't been liquid for hundreds of thousands of years! What an adventure! It's going to be an exciting time, indeed.

    ---
    We Rock!
    WANG.
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Wednesday, December 23 2009 @ 04:54 PM GMT+5
    Also, I would like to point out the flaw in your logic. If the glaciers evaporate, then the water will fall as fresh, cool rain, refilling our reservoirs. If it melts into the ocean, it will reduce the salinity of the ocean, making ocean water easier to desalinate.

    Win/win/win!

    ---
    We Rock!
    WANG DANG DOO
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Wednesday, December 23 2009 @ 05:04 PM GMT+5
    Maus,

    You must be high.

    Merry Christmas.

    Buddy
    DANG DOO DOO
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Wednesday, December 23 2009 @ 07:30 PM GMT+5
    IIII'm dreeeaming of a greeeeen chris-musss!

    ---
    We Rock!
    Cold Cold Cold
    Authored by: George Tirebiter on Monday, January 04 2010 @ 10:29 AM GMT+5
    Jacksonville, Florida fell to 26 degrees overnight Saturday. Most of the U.S. will be experiencing sub-freezing temperatures all week. South Florida is experiencing the longest cold streak in nine years. In Mineapolis, the temperature on Monday morning was -3.

    More than 30 people died in cold weather-related incidents in northern India over the weekend.

    Last year, blizzards and arctic temperatures in England made winter the coldest it had been for 13 years.

    Cold cold cold. How do scientists explain this weather?

    ---
    "Oh, was it a joke, you mean?"
    - John Cage
    Cold Cold Cold
    Authored by: pjmelton on Monday, January 04 2010 @ 10:39 AM GMT+5
    "How do scientists explain this weather?"

    If you mean, how does global climate change account for this weather, the answer is: it does not. Global climate change has three words. "Global" means the whole world. "Climate" means the average weather patterns over several decades. And "change" means it is different than what we expect.

    Today's weather in downtown Brattleboro, this week's weather in Florida, this year's weather in Ireland: none of it can be traced directly to global climate change. Which is why it is difficult to wrap one's mind around the problem. But that difficulty does not mean the problem does not exist - only that we have to ignore our cold fingers for a moment and place a certain amount of trust in scientists who actually study these things. Many people are uncomfortable with placing that trust. I am not, and here is why.

    For one thing, these scientists do not have any true incentive to try to get us to stop clear-cutting forests and burning fossil fuels.

    But even if they did, and even if global climate change were not happening, all of the things that cause it (driving too much, cutting down too many trees, burning too much coal, eating too much meat, etc.) are ALREADY BAD. They have dire personal, community-wide and global consequences other than affecting the climate.

    The reality of climate change just makes changing our lifestyle into a massive global emergency, rather than something we really ought to think about doing someday.

    ---
    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Cold Cold Cold
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Monday, January 04 2010 @ 12:30 PM GMT+5
    Tirebiter,

    Cold is NORMAL winter weather for Vermont. The fact that Brattleboro
    hasn't seen -20 degree fahrenheit since 2002 should be noted, in
    addition to still cold winters, but increasingly shorter cold winters with
    more ice and freezing rain events even in the middle of winter than in
    the past.

    Global warming is still happening, despite a few weeks or days of
    normal weather.

    I'll believe global warming is over when the permafrost stops melting
    away, when the glaciers and places like Mt. Kilamanjaro stop
    retreating, and when the oceans stop moving toward more acidity with
    the bleaching of coral reefs. Also when the atmospheric CO-2 stops
    increasing in measurable amounts.

    Or was that a joke?
    Cold Cold Cold
    Authored by: pjmelton on Tuesday, January 05 2010 @ 10:36 AM GMT+5
    Here is a much more intelligent article on the topic, discussing the record lows in the U.S. in the last sixty years, vs. the record highs. The record highs have been much higher, and there have been more of them. The record lows have been fewer, and not as low. http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-vine/why-yes-it-chilly-out-right-now I particularly liked his little dig at Drudge about the historic weather data.

    And if you want to know how weather scientists explain the current cold weather, check out this article on the Arctic Oscillation. http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/polar-pressure-pattern-driving-chill-nearly-off-chart/

    And maybe you are just joking, but even so, other people are sincerely wondering, so it was worth doing some research.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR

    Arctic Blasts
    Authored by: George Tirebiter on Tuesday, January 05 2010 @ 11:56 AM GMT+5
    It's cold all across the planet:

    Just read that in China, Beijing schools were shut after it was hit by the heaviest daily snowfall since 1951. And that Northern China may have 50-year record-low temperatures. Snowfalls have stopped carriage of coal to power plants in the eastern province of Shandong, and have reduced inventories of the fuel in the region to 2 million metric tons, which is just just barely enough for nine days of consumption.

    500 flights were canceled yesterday into Beijing because of snow.

    In this country, I read that 500 million bushels of corn are stuck under snow in North Dakota and South Dakota, Minnesota, Nebraska and Wisconsin.

    Burlington got 33 inches of snow over the weekend, the highest its ever gotten since 1969, when 30 inches fell on the town.

    Tennessee had a low of 14 degrees.

    The eastern half of the U.S. is having its coldest winter since 1982.

    How long can we survive Snowball Earth?



    ---
    "Oh, was it a joke, you mean?"
    - John Cage
    Arctic Blasts
    Authored by: pjmelton on Tuesday, January 05 2010 @ 12:07 PM GMT+5
    "How long can we survive Snowball Earth?"

    We'll probably do all right until spring. Personally, I'm a little jealous of the snow in Burlington. We didn't even get an inch. How do climate scientists explain this???

    ---
    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Arctic Blasts Last Gasps?
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Tuesday, January 05 2010 @ 12:49 PM GMT+5
    "How long can we survive snowball earth?"

    UN: 2000-2009 likely warmest decade on record

    The Associated Press, Dec. 8, 2009

    COPENHAGEN - This decade is very likely to be the warmest since
    record-keeping began in 1850, and 2009 could rank among the top-
    five warmest years, the U.N. weather agency reported Tuesday on the
    second day of a pivotal 192-nation climate conference.

    In some areas — parts of Africa and Central Asia — this will probably
    be the warmest year, but overall 2009 "is likely to be about the fifth-
    warmest year on record," said Michel Jarraud, secretary-general of the
    World Meteorological Organization.

    The decade 2000-2009 "is very likely to be the warmest on record,
    warmer than the 1990s, than the 1980s and so on," Jarraud said at a
    news conference, holding up a chart with a temperature curve pointing
    upward.

    If 2009 ends as the fifth-warmest year, it would replace the year
    2003. According to the U.S. space agency NASA, the other warmest
    years since 1850 have been 2005, 1998, 2007 and 2006. NASA says
    the differences in readings among these years are so small as to be
    statistically insignificant.
    They don't make 'em like they used to
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Tuesday, January 05 2010 @ 01:02 PM GMT+5
    30 years ago at this time, in 1980, southern Vermont was experiencing an unusually warm period. In fact, over the holidays, several days of warm rain left ski slopes closed, lawns bare, and back roads muddied.

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    We Rock!
    They don't make 'em like they used to
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Tuesday, January 05 2010 @ 01:17 PM GMT+5
    "30 years ago at this time, in 1980, southern Vermont was
    experiencing an unusually warm period. In fact, over the holidays,
    several days of warm rain left ski slopes closed, lawns bare, and back
    roads muddied. "

    So??

    What was the state of the polar ice caps 30 years ago?

    Were the world's glaciers larger or smaller overall 30 years ago than
    today?

    Wasn't the Ross Ice Shelf in Antarctica still intact 30 years ago?
    They don't make 'em like they used to
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Tuesday, January 05 2010 @ 01:26 PM GMT+5
    Sorry, that was actually 25 years ago. 1985. My mistake.

    At this time in 1969/70, the state saw its highest snowfall totals on record. Transportation came to a virtual standstill. State Police reported drifts as high as 68 feet. Yes, feet.

    ---
    We Rock!
    Coldest Winter in 30 Years
    Authored by: George Tirebiter on Wednesday, January 06 2010 @ 01:31 PM GMT+5
    I was just reading in the Times online that, brace yourselves, this winter is set to be the coldest for more than 30 years. So, get ready for a freezing cold, bleak new year. Of course, that's for Britain. Here in the U.S., not just the Northeast, but all through the South, it's the coldest winter in decades. There is an explanation for this, and ironically it is related to global warming. Nice to see Mother Nature regain her glacial standing.

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    "Oh, was it a joke, you mean?"
    - John Cage
    2002
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Wednesday, January 06 2010 @ 02:10 PM GMT+5
    It's been eight years since Brattleboro saw temperatures like in 2002,
    when, in January, it dropped down to twenty below zero, at one point
    with highs around 0 degrees f. I'd like to see some of that this year.

    And I'm still waiting to see us get more than 8 inches of snow. I'd like to
    see 20 or more inches of snow on the ground, like we've had before.
    2002
    Authored by: SJD on Wednesday, January 06 2010 @ 04:58 PM GMT+5
    Elevation my dear Watson, Elevation!

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    Don't tell Obama What Comes After a Trillion.
    Alaska - Got a Love it!
    Authored by: SJD on Wednesday, January 06 2010 @ 05:05 PM GMT+5
    Good to see Alaska still has a huge head for fun.

    http://www.compeaus.com/frozen.html

    This will frost a few of you! HA HA

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    Don't tell Obama What Comes After a Trillion.

    Coldest Winter in 30 Years---Nope.
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Saturday, January 09 2010 @ 08:07 PM GMT+5
    Cold in the East this January? Definitely. Record-setting? Highly
    unlikely.

    True enough, icy-cold northwest winds of January 9-10, 2010 will cap
    daytime temperatures in the 20s at Philadelphia, New York and
    Boston. It will not be far from freezing at Washington, D.C.

    Farther north, temperatures will stay even lower with highs in the 10s
    over northern New England to northern New York state.

    Still, for sake of perspective, it helps to know the worst of January
    cold in the East would yield single-digit highs in the big cities with
    readings holding well below zero across the north. Nothing like this is
    in sight for the East. For interior New England to have any real cold,
    with highs in the low single digits and lows to 20 below zero, you'd
    have to go back to 2002. We haven't seen low temperatures in winter
    like that since then.
    Coldest Winter in 30 Years---Nope.
    Authored by: pjmelton on Saturday, January 09 2010 @ 09:52 PM GMT+5
    Yeah, yeah. Tell that to my toes! :)

    Seriously, I think what is throwing people off is the duration of the low temperatures, especially down south. And even up here, I've gotten rather spoiled by highs near freezing on a daily basis in winter. But it's the consistent highs near freezing that are not normal.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Coldest Winter in 30 Years---Nope.
    Authored by: annikee on Sunday, January 10 2010 @ 09:25 AM GMT+5
    Friends and family in Florida are freaking out, as they scramble for afghans and turn their furnaces on or up for the first time (admittedly, some have only lived there 10 years). A cousin's in-ground pool froze over and they were surprised to see their dog walking across it yesterday morning.

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    Freedom and fear are natural enemies.

    If you've a bed, closet & fridge, you're richer than 75% of the people alive.
    Coldest Winter in more than 50 years for some
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Sunday, January 10 2010 @ 09:55 AM GMT+5
    Ireland is seeing the coldest temperatures in 50 years, and snowstorms that haven't been experienced in 50 or more years
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0109/1224261979004.html

    Europe suffers harsh winter weather:
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=115725&sectionid=351020605

    Europe shivers under sub-zero weather
    http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,5102900,00.html

    How cold is Europe? Norway's buses can't take it:
    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-South-Central/2010/0108/How-cold-is-Europe-Even-Norway-s-buses-can-t-take-it

    UK Temps plummet to -21c:
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/uk-temps-plummet-to-21c/story-e6frf7jx-1225817471982

    Snow and cold disrupt European travel:
    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-10/snow-cold-disrupt-european-travel-as-airlines-cancel-flights.html

    And then there's this:
    Unusually cold winter kills nine in Mexico:
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=115815&sectionid=351020705

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    We Rock!

    It's Cold. It's Winter. Sometimes there are cold anomalies in what is a general warming trend.
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Sunday, January 10 2010 @ 10:16 AM GMT+5
    Sean Hannity at Fox is claiming (incorrectly) that 2009 was "the coldest
    year on record."
    http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201001050056

    Despite Hannity's and other ibrattleboronian claims however, the experts
    are claiming that the cold snap doesn't disprove global warming:
    http://www.physorg.com/news182026415.html
    It's only an anomolie when it's cold?
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Sunday, January 10 2010 @ 11:13 AM GMT+5
    ***the experts are claiming that the cold snap doesn't disprove global warming***

    Really? Man, that is really hard to believe. See, whenever we don't get three feet of snow and sub-zero temps before Thanksgiving, the experts on ibrattleboro say it IS proof of global warming and the "loss" of winter.

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    We Rock!
    It's only an anomolie [sic] when it's cold?
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Sunday, January 10 2010 @ 11:32 AM GMT+5
    No, what we're saying is, although winter weather isn't completely
    gone, the number of days that we have normal winter weather
    continues to decrease as CO-2 is added to the atmosphere. We point
    out the days where the weather is warmer because it is a reminder.
    That's the bias you are noticing. But to say, as Sean Hannity does,
    that the weather in the Northern Hemisphere is getting COLDER, is
    just patently false.

    You seem to dislike cold weather and prefer the warmer weather.
    Some of us actually LIKE the change of seasons with frosts in the
    Autumn, leaves turning color, snows falling in winter, ice forming to
    skate on, etc. We also like to have our summers without so much
    rain, something also likely a consequence in NEngland of global
    warming. Therefore we NOTICE when the weather is warm (well above
    average) in the winter, and since you seem to like the warm, you get
    annoyed by this. These cold snaps are happening as anomalies against
    a general background of shorter winters, later frost dates, earlier
    thaws, quirkier maple sugaring dates than the past. You can argue
    that you hate the cold and snow, but you can't effectively argue that
    the winter cold periods in New England are getting shorter.
    correction
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Sunday, January 10 2010 @ 11:34 AM GMT+5
    Oops---I meant to say: "...you cannot argue effectively that the winter
    cold periods in New England are NOT getting shorter."
    It's only an anomolie [sic] when it's cold?
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Sunday, January 10 2010 @ 01:38 PM GMT+5
    Sic indeed, Buddy. Sic, sic, sic.

    ***You seem to dislike cold weather and prefer the warmer weather.***
    It seems odd to me that you'd think that, since I often tell you that I like cold weather and really hate warm weather. In fact, what I really like are these cool, rainy summers, cool autumns, and cold winters. Not a big fan of all this effing snow, though.

    So I can't argue that I don't like cold. Not honestly, anyway. You can keep trying, though.

    I also can't argue against the science of global climate change. All I can do is argue that when you use singular weather events like showers on Christmas day, to illustrate your point, then your argument appears no different than that of the people who say "so much for global warming" every time we get a snowstorm or when there's a cool day in July. I think it also feeds the ignorance of people who think "Global Warming" means everthing gets warmer and that the term "Global Climate Change" is some kind of conspiratorial sleight of hand with the terminology.


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    We Rock!
    It's only an anomolie [sic] when it's cold?
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Sunday, January 10 2010 @ 03:54 PM GMT+5
    ***Sic indeed, Buddy. Sic, sic, sic.***
    Sic is a Latin word meaning "thus", "so", "as such", or "in such a
    manner". In writing, it is placed within the quoted material, in square
    brackets – or outside it, in regular parentheses – and usually italicized
    – [sic] – to indicate that an incorrect or unusual spelling, phrase,
    punctuation, and/or other preceding quoted material has been
    reproduced verbatim from the quoted original and is not a
    transcription error. It had a long vowel in Latin (sīc), meaning
    that it
    was pronounced like the English word "seek" (IPA /'sik/)It is used
    after a word or phrase that seems to be wrongly spelled or not
    accurate, in order to show that it was quoted accurately.

    ***It seems odd to me that you'd think that, since I often tell you
    that I like cold weather and really hate warm weather. In fact, what I
    really like are these cool, rainy summers, cool autumns, and cold
    winters. Not a big fan of all this effing snow, though.***
    You really think we've had a lot of snow?? We currently have averaged
    around 7-8 inches of snow, less than a foot the entire season so far.
    That's not very much snow.

    ***So I can't argue that I don't like cold. Not honestly, anyway. You
    can keep trying, though.***
    As long as you keep confusing/obfuscating the issue.

    ***I also can't argue against the science of global climate change. All
    I can do is argue that when you use singular weather events like
    showers on Christmas day, to illustrate your point, then your
    argument appears no different than that of the people who say "so
    much for global warming" every time we get a snowstorm or when
    there's a cool day in July. I think it also feeds the ignorance of people
    who think "Global Warming" means everthing gets warmer and that
    the term "Global Climate Change" is some kind of conspiratorial
    sleight of hand with the terminology.***
    Most people like a 'white snowy Christmas'. There are songs about it.
    Christmas is a bellweather event in the winter for most people, and
    when we don't get a white Christmas, which statistically we in
    Vermont are supposed to get MOST of the time, people like me take
    note of that. I am sorry that you seem to be confused about this. As
    for the science of global warming, it's nice to see that you aren't a
    complete fool, that you see the science for what it is, and aren't one
    of the deniers. I have to say you're one of the most STUBBORN sob's
    I've been privileged to argue with on ibratt, however.
    It's only an anomolie [sic] when it's cold?
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Sunday, January 10 2010 @ 04:49 PM GMT+5
    Thanks, Buddy, but I know what "sic" means. Perhaps you didn't get the joke. Wasn't that good, anyway, so don't waste any more beans on it.

    ***We currently have averaged around 7-8 inches of snow, less than a foot the entire season so far. ***
    It's not at all to the point, but, Jesus, what part of Vermont do you live in? You don't think that's what the rest of the state has gotten, do you? Two feet fell in Bennington with the last snowstorm. Burlington got 30 inches. We got about 18 inches here in the "banana belt."


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    We Rock!
    It's only an anomolie [sic] when it's cold?
    Authored by: pjmelton on Tuesday, January 12 2010 @ 10:37 AM GMT+5
    Brattleboro has had hardly any snow this year. We got a sprinkle last night. The most we've had at a time since mid-December was an inch, if that.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Sic, sic, sic sic sic sic, sic.
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Sunday, January 10 2010 @ 10:49 PM GMT+5

    ***you're one of the most STUBBORN sob's***

    Buddy, baby, don't think I didn't notice you have offered one of the deepest compliments you can offer a Vermonter: "stubborn SOB." In sincere thanks, let me leave you with this. I suspect we agree on many things. I'll bet this is one.

    ---
    We Rock!

    Duffy
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Tuesday, January 12 2010 @ 09:06 AM GMT+5
    Pretty good little clip Maus. I guess we're both stubborn sob's. It takes
    one to recognize another.
    Duffy
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Tuesday, January 12 2010 @ 09:16 AM GMT+5
    I thought they did a great job with the retro look and the retro sound. You'd never know it was recorded in 2008. It must have been hard to get that sound - modern digital devices don't do that.

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    We Rock!
    Duffy
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Tuesday, January 12 2010 @ 09:49 AM GMT+5
    Really??

    The minute I watched that video, from the start, I thought she was a
    modern singer doing sixties material. It looked a bit of a nod to "retro"
    but looked totally naught decade as far as the production went. Funny
    that you had such a different take...
    Duffy
    Authored by: Maus Anon E on Tuesday, January 12 2010 @ 02:50 PM GMT+5
    No, it was no reproduction.

    ---
    We Rock!
    How Much Rain Will We Get on Christmas Day?
    Authored by: George Tirebiter on Sunday, January 10 2010 @ 03:36 PM GMT+5
    "...and Springtime that starts in March instead of in late April."

    Springtime does begin in March.

    ---
    "Oh, was it a joke, you mean?"
    - John Cage
    How Much Rain Will We Get on Christmas Day?
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Sunday, January 10 2010 @ 03:38 PM GMT+5
    Not in New England it doesn't. Springtime begins in late May here.
    How Much Rain Will We Get on Christmas Day?
    Authored by: mr.mike on Sunday, January 10 2010 @ 08:34 PM GMT+5
    Oh well silly me I always thought the first day of spring was March 21st. Guess I've been getting some calenders made in China all these years.

    So for the record.You're saying spring starts May 21st?

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    The four boxes that ensure liberty.
    Soap Box
    Ballot Box
    Jury Box
    Ammo Box
    How Much Rain Will We Get on Christmas Day?
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Sunday, January 10 2010 @ 09:14 PM GMT+5
    That's an old New England joke, mike.

    Like "you can't get there from here" or "In New England, there are 4
    seasons: almost winter, winter, still winter, and road construction." I for
    one would like to see the latter joke stay valid.
    How Much Rain Will We Get on Christmas Day?
    Authored by: mr.mike on Sunday, January 10 2010 @ 09:18 PM GMT+5
    For what it's worth here's another link for ya.

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/tech-mainmenu-30/environment/2725-the-chilling-effect-of-global-warming

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    The four boxes that ensure liberty.
    Soap Box
    Ballot Box
    Jury Box
    Ammo Box

    Facts = The Enemy of "The Truth"
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Sunday, January 10 2010 @ 09:31 PM GMT+5
    And for what it's worth, here's a more important set of data for ya
    (from Accuweather.com):

    THURSDAY, JANUARY 7, 2010
    Very Strong, Negative Arctic Oscillation having Widespread Impact

    An extreme, negative phase of the Arctic Oscillation (-AO) during the
    month of December has helped keep the overall sea ice extent in the
    Arctic during the month of December well below the 1979-2000
    average, as temperatures over the Arctic Ocean were well above-
    normal during the month, according to the National Snow and Ice Data
    Center (NSIDC) update.
    //To see and read more, please go to:
    http://global-warming.accuweather.com/
    Scroll down to the story title and date listed above the paragraph
    pasted.
    Facts = The Enemy of "The Truth"
    Authored by: pjmelton on Monday, January 11 2010 @ 09:46 AM GMT+5
    Meterological idelology! It's all just propaganda! Because raising the alarm about global warming obviously makes somebody somewhere really, really rich.

    We haven't figured out who's behind it all yet - but we are closing in on the most likely suspects: a cabal of the four winds, whose main interest is to get filthy rich by convincing the completely snookered free world into building more windmills. Some people believe an insugent band of sunspots intent on capitalizing on the increased use of solar power may also be involved.

    I, for one, do not wish to be snookered by a bunch of windbags and sunspots. In fact, I'm creating my own coal-powered generator in my back yard just to SHOW THEM who's in control of the carbon around here!

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    How Much Rain Will We Get on Christmas Day?
    Authored by: cgrotke on Sunday, January 10 2010 @ 10:20 PM GMT+5
    Climate change causes unusual weather everywhere. It seems to also
    effect people's comments. :)
    The mini ice age starts here
    Authored by: SJD on Monday, January 11 2010 @ 11:28 PM GMT+5
    .
    The mini ice age starts here

    According to the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado, Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26 per cent, since 2007 – and even the most committed global warming activists do not dispute this.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html

    The only thing settled, is global warming is a man made crises for political manipulation.

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    Don't tell Obama What Comes After a Trillion.

    No it doesn't.
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Monday, January 11 2010 @ 11:47 PM GMT+5
    Britain's Daily Mail in climate change distortion shocker!

    I know, it's hard to imagine such an upstanding publication behaving
    badly, but even the most virtuous amongst us have our weaknesses,
    and the Mail never lets the facts get in the way of its beliefs,
    particularly if those facts are complicated.

    It said that Professor Mojib Latif's research into ocean temperatures
    showed that we're entering a period of global cooling rather than
    warming, that our current cold weather proves a move towards
    warming, and that the research undermined the 'most cherished
    beliefs' of climate change scientists.

    What did Professor Latif REALLY say? He says that ocean
    temperatures may make more of a difference to temperatures than
    other researchers, but he's not out of line on the major challenges
    facing us. Well done, Mail.

     "What we are experiencing now is a weather phenomenon, while we
    talked about the mean temperature over the next 10 years. You can't
    compare the two."

    It comes as a surprise to me that people would try to use my
    statements to try to dispute the nature of global warming. I believe in
    manmade global warming. I have said that if my name was not Mojib
    Latif it would be global warming." He added: "There is no doubt
    within the scientific community that we are affecting the climate, that
    the climate is changing and responding to our emissions of greenhouse
    gases."
     
    "There are numerous newspapers, radio stations and television
    channels all trying to get our attention. Some overstate and some
    want to downplay the problem as a way to get that attention," he
    said. "We are trying to discuss in the media a highly complex issue.
    Nobody would discuss the problem of [Einstein's theory of] relativity
    in the media. But because we all experience the weather, we all
    believe that we can assess the global warming problem."
    No it doesn't.
    Authored by: pjmelton on Tuesday, January 12 2010 @ 06:56 AM GMT+5
    "Nobody would discuss the problem of [Einstein's theory of] relativity
    in the media. But because we all experience the weather, we all
    believe that we can assess the global warming problem."

    Well said, doctor!

    My husband just read an article that completely blows the current theory of gravity.

    Does this mean we are all going to start floating up into space? No, it means that everyone knows gravity is real, and what they are trying to figure out is how the heck it works. Same reason evolution is "just a theory." It clearly happens, but we are always refining how we understand it. And climate change is also a theory, and a very new field of theory to boot. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can look at the evidence and see that it's happening. It's explaining it - and, even more complicated, making predictions about it - that is difficult. That's where the "theory" lies. Not in whether it's happening or not.

    What DO they teach them in the schools these days.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Faith-based global warming denial
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Tuesday, January 12 2010 @ 09:05 AM GMT+5
    What DO they teach kids in school these days indeed.

    Many of the global warming deniers would never question the laws of
    thermodynamics while cruising along at 30,000 ft. in a plane. Nor
    would any RATIONAL person question the science of evolution, once
    presented with the fossil record and many other scientific facts. So I
    can only guess that there must be a "faith-based" reason for the
    global warming deniers. They must have some sort of irrational
    religious faith (new agey faith?) that we can keep on burning oil and
    coal forever with no consequences to the atmosphere, and that the
    earth is filled with a 'creamy nougat center' of unlimited oil. The facts
    of global warming scare many of these people because the facts
    challenge their faith in the old fossil fuel way of life, of unlimited and
    wasteful consumption and an unlimited tap of oil from a forever
    flowing, uninterrupted stream of low priced oil from the Middle East.
    That's their faith, and no amount of reality is going to wake them up
    from their child-like fairy tale view of the world. These are the kind of
    people who voted for Bush, and who thought Sarah Palin would have
    made a 'great' president.
    Faith-based global warming denial
    Authored by: pjmelton on Tuesday, January 12 2010 @ 10:19 AM GMT+5
    I think it is mostly wishful thinking. But fundamentalist Christians do believe that humans have a unique and special mission in the universe, and cannot bring themselves to consider the idea that we could go extinct and the rest of the universe wouldn't even blink. Which is the most likely scenario, since the earth can probably adapt - by adapting us right out of existence.

    I wish some of them would take another look at Genesis, where God gives humans a unique and special mission as environmental stewards. I know very few Christians who take that part of the Bible seriously. They see the word "dominion" and stop reading - at their, and everyone else's, peril.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
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