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    The Tiffany Window    
    Wednesday, December 23 2009 @ 10:04 PM GMT+5
    Contributed by: no-see-um

    OpinionWhat Brattleboro does or doesn't do is none of my cotton-pickin' beeswax, however I feel that the fate of the First Baptist Church Tiffany window is so important that I can't not-write.

    I have to say that the community's disinterest in the window seems very, very strange. A Tiffany window is a very big deal. It is arguably the most valuable work of art on public view in Brattleboro, given by arguably the most prominent family in the business community that the town has thus far produced.

    When the Reformer article first appeared I waited for the public reaction but it didn't come. One lone reader wrote, describing the success of other communities in rallying support for their historic churches, but no one followed up on her comments and the issue died.

    On ibratt Chris's suggestion that a donor should buy it and leave it where it is produced some hand-wringing responses and then the topic withered away until the TAC meeting, where it was decided that representatives should meet with church representatives and try to come up with a rescue plan. This was followed by a comment from someone who wrote that, after living for several decades in Brattleboro, they didn't even know the window existed and that they thought it wasn't pretty anyway and wouldn't be missed. After that, no comments whatsoever.

    In the meantime, as word of the window attracted AP attention it cyber-whirled out of obscurity. Where I live, my daily newspaper featured a front-page photo of the smiling Rev., posed in front of the window.

    Here is the AP's story.

    Inevitably it reached the New York Times, in an article carrying details which I don't recall reading in the Reformer report: 1) the church has a bank balance of $8,000, 2) the congregation's membership is down to 88, with 3) attendance at Sunday services down to 35. With a 2008 heating bill quoted at $34,000, it was clear that no matter what the window sold for, unless something drastic happens to shore up the building's economic outlook, the congregation will be forced to abandon it in a year or two.

    Why there was such an information gap between the Reformer and the Times accounts is an interesting question, but I wonder if local Reformer readers are aware of how desperate the situation is.

    The issue isn't just about the window slipping away, it's about the congregation itself dissolving -- and if the congregation dissolves, what happens to the shelter program for the homeless? What happens to the church's Estey organ -- for that matter, what happens to the organ museum's concerts performed in the church? What happens to the building itself? And beyond that, what happens to Brattleboro's credibility in its efforts to cultivate an arts-community image?

    Aside from the lack of information there are probably several other reasons why the window's plight has elicited such a tepid response. It is a religious work and as such is toxic to church vs. state purists, the fact that the governor awards grants for church steeple and foundation repairs notwithstanding. I assume that the appropriateness of state funding for church repairs is justified on the grounds that the traditional steepled, white-clapboarded church is an iconic New English symbol. Although the First Baptist Church has the misfortune to be a building that doesn't conform to that image, it nevertheless contributes to the Victorian architecture in the Main Street historic district.

    Readers need to understand the long-range implications of what is at stake if this sale goes through.

     

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    The Tiffany Window
    Authored by: SK-B on Thursday, December 24 2009 @ 07:51 AM GMT+5
    When I read about the plan to sell the window to raise money for the homeless shelter, it reminded me of the story in Mathew 26 in which the disciples admonished the woman who had brought precious oil to anoint Jesus; telling her that they should sell the oil to help the poor.
    The Tiffany Window
    Authored by: dozer on Thursday, December 24 2009 @ 08:35 AM GMT+5
    I agree with what the poster says. I agree with SK-B also. And herein lies a paradox of Christianity. Scripture teaches to walk in love, and that love is for God first, with all the heart, soul, mind and strength, and secondly, to your neighbor as yourself.

    The Tiffany window is all that the poster says it is in artistic measure, but times change, as do the seasons. Does the possession of the window represent the present workings of the Christ in the hearts of the present members? At one time it did; perhaps now it does not. Is the present mission of the present congregation represented by ownership of such material beauty and cultural significance? Perhaps, at this time and place, material beauty and cultural significance is not the goal. Perhaps today the congregation, albeit smaller than in the past, has chosen to liberate the material value of the window to a higher calling.

    As our culture turns increasingly away from Biblical teachings, perhaps this decision will make no sense to those who reject the Lord in favor of their own philosophies.
    The Tiffany Window
    Authored by: cohnpr on Thursday, December 24 2009 @ 09:05 AM GMT+5
    I know there are groups of concerned Brattleboro citizens looking into
    what can be done to keep the Tiffany window in Brattleboro. The
    question is if $75,000 was raised and used to purchase the window,
    what would then happen to the Church and to the window? Initially
    the Church would have money to make some of its much-needed
    repairs but would that be enough? Should the window be removed
    and placed in a more visible spot since it currently can only be seen
    from the inside of the Church (i.e. it is not the window facing Main
    Street)?

    The media generated around the potential sale have raised awareness
    to many issues: 1. What stake do we have in preserving public art? 2.
    What is the public's role in preserving treasures in New England
    Houses of Worship? 3. How are we responding to the plight of those
    left homeless in the Brattleboro area? (Note: while the Baptist Church
    provides the space for the "Overflow Shelter", volunteers from all the
    Houses of Worship have been supplying food and staff) 4. Is there a
    better way to utilize the space in the Houses of Worship so that
    income can be generated (eg. rent the acoustically beautiful sanctuary
    in the Baptist Church for a school music program)?

    I don't think there are simple answers. But there is definitely a need
    for more discussion.
    The Tiffany Window
    Authored by: annikee on Thursday, December 24 2009 @ 08:52 AM GMT+5
    "As our culture turns increasingly away from Biblical teachings, perhaps this decision will make no sense to those who reject the Lord in favor of their own philosophies"
    It's that kind of statement that keeps me away from churches. It's not JC that I reject, it's what his followers do with what He said..


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    Freedom and fear are natural enemies.

    If you've a bed, closet & fridge, you're richer than 75% of the people alive.
    Public art?
    Authored by: pjmelton on Thursday, December 24 2009 @ 09:23 AM GMT+5
    I do not consider it public art, since it can only be appreciated from inside the church. That is, after all, the entire point of stained glass. It represents God's grace within us "fallen" humans, because it looks dark on one side; but when you are inside the building, it is illuminated even on a cloudy day.

    The homeless shelter is an extremely valuable public service, however. I guess my feeling is that if the congregation that privately owns the window wishes to sell the window in order to stay afloat (and judging from this article, it is NOT just the homeless shelter issue by a long stretch), that is their own business. If they need money for the homeless shelter that I can help out with, I'm happy to do that too. But what they do with the window is not something that concerns me particularly. I mean that literally: it just isn't my business or my decision.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    The Tiffany Window
    Authored by: MartinLangeveld on Thursday, December 24 2009 @ 04:04 PM GMT+5
    As PJMelton says, it's not our business, only that of the church members. However, that doesn't mean we can't comment, throw in a suggestion, or better yet, a financial contribution.

    With a membership of 88 and typical attendance of 35, barring a resurgence of Baptism, it seems only a matter of time before the congregation will have to give up the entire building. Many churches have had to face that decision including several in this region. The building is valuable Main Street real estate. Is it possible to find an investor who would take on the entire property, redevelop much of the space into office or retail (with historical sensitivity and preservation of the windows and the organ, maintaining some public space, etc.). The congregation could remain as a tenant in smaller space within the complex, as could the homeless shelter; the investor's purchase (or long-term lease) payments would support the shelter on a more secure basis. Just sayin'.
    The Tiffany Window
    Authored by: cgrotke on Thursday, December 24 2009 @ 04:25 PM GMT+5
    I know we've had discussion like this at the Estey Organ Museum.

    It's a great performance space with excellent acoustics, has the
    largest Estey pipe organ in town (dedicated to an Estey), lots of
    space, a great kitchen, and is a really great building in need of some
    love and attention.

    How many people know about the baptismal pool under the stage?

    The museum is not in a position to buy or restore it - we're still
    working on heating the Engine House and being open year round and
    are building up our own membership.

    The museum, I'm sure, would be interested in being a partner in
    preservation, though. The historic importance had been mentioned
    above - it was the Estey's place of worship and they helped build it up
    when the company was successful.

    We've partnered with the church and have used the space to bring
    choirs, organists, and others for entertainment and events.

    Without a solid and long term plan for preservation or adaptive re-
    use, it could be similar to the River Garden - used, loved,
    appreciated, and hard to pay for. It's sort of in this phase now, with
    the church unable to afford the expenses.

    Of course, the River Garden is coming together and the finances are
    better than they were a few years ago. Perhaps First Baptist can do
    the same.

    A twist on Martin's suggestion: maybe some outlying churches with
    similar, small congregations could be enticed to use this great space
    downtown if schedules could be arranged. A multi-faith church?

    And, to no-see-um - I think some of the silence you notice is that
    people are waiting and wondering. Not many of us have $75,000 +, so
    we're hoping things work out well for Brattleboro and FBC.
    The Tiffany Window
    Authored by: Wantastiquet on Thursday, December 24 2009 @ 08:50 PM GMT+5
    Tiffany produced some of the finest stained glass works of the 1800-1900's but the ones that are of most interest are the lamp shades and panels produced during the art nouveau period. The religious themed works are of lesser interest artistically although the workmanship is top notch. It is somewhat remarkable that a local church has a window made by Tiffany. With all the interest in locally produced items it would be interesting if the church were to investigate replacing the Tiffany window with one made by a local artist. Perhaps with a theme of helping the homeless.
    Jesus was homeless
    Authored by: tomaidh on Friday, December 25 2009 @ 09:29 AM GMT+5

    "Jesus replied, 'Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.' "Matt 8:20
    The Tiffany Window
    Authored by: annikee on Friday, December 25 2009 @ 10:00 AM GMT+5
    I wouldn't despair of the church having to sell. This story is all over the news- I heard that Diane Sawyer covered it- and contributions are coming in.

    And the bottom line is, as others have said, it's the business of the church members, not mine, what they'll do.

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    Freedom and fear are natural enemies.

    If you've a bed, closet & fridge, you're richer than 75% of the people alive.
    The Tiffany Window
    Authored by: annikee on Friday, December 25 2009 @ 10:04 AM GMT+5
    Just after writing that post, I read this:
    http://www.reformer.com/localnews/ci_14063749

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    Freedom and fear are natural enemies.

    If you've a bed, closet & fridge, you're richer than 75% of the people alive.

    The Tiffany Window
    Authored by: cgrotke on Friday, December 25 2009 @ 08:33 PM GMT+5
    Donations can go to:

    First Baptist Church, 190 Main St., Brattleboro, VT 05302.

    Make the check out to First Baptist Church and let them know the
    donation is for the window.
    The Tiffany Window
    Authored by: annikee on Saturday, December 26 2009 @ 02:35 PM GMT+5
    My brother and sister-in-law are sending a contribution. Thanks for the info.

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    Freedom and fear are natural enemies.

    If you've a bed, closet & fridge, you're richer than 75% of the people alive.
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