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    Targeted Killing of American Citizens?    
    Thursday, February 04 2010 @ 09:54 PM GMT+5
    Contributed by: spoon

    Politics The following excerpt speaks too loudly for itself. It describes an existing situation that is very very frightening. One wonders if it is much different, or substantially different, from Germany in 1936 or any other totalitarian regime for that matter. Am I going to be killed by my own government for even repeating what was stated by a member of the ACLU? No less frightening is the possibility that the White House and Congress DO reflect the will of the people. Can any government reflecting these policies be a legitimate government?

    http://washingtonindependent.com/75836/aclu-not-exactly-cool-with-obama-administration-assassinating-americans

    Apropos of intelligence chief Dennis Blair’s remarkable disclosure, the following statement comes from the American Civil Liberties Union’s Ben Wizner:

    It is alarming to hear that the Obama administration is asserting that the president can authorize the assassination of Americans abroad, even if they are far from any battlefield and may have never taken up arms against the U.S., but have only been deemed to constitute an unspecified “threat.” This is the most recent consequence of a troublingly overbroad interpretation of Congress’s 2001 Authorization for the Use of Military Force. This sweeping interpretation envisions a war that knows no borders or definable time limits and targets an enemy that the government has refused to define in public. This policy is particularly troubling since it targets U.S. citizens, who retain their constitutional right to due process even when abroad.

    His colleague Jonathan Manes wants to know more:

    The American people have a right to know more about a policy that grants the president the unilateral authority to approve the killing of U.S. citizens. It is essential that more information be made available about who can be targeted for killing, who makes these decisions and on the basis of how much evidence, and whether lethal force can be used if arrest or capture are possible or have not been attempted. While there is little doubt that a U.S. citizen fighting for an enemy army could lawfully be killed on the battlefield in the course of fighting, this policy goes far beyond the ordinary parameters of battlefield combat. It appears to allow for the deliberate targeted killing of American citizens far away from any active hostilities, as long as the executive branch determines unilaterally that they meet a secret definition of who the enemy is.

     

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    Targeted Killing of American Citizens?
    Authored by: pjmelton on Friday, February 05 2010 @ 07:37 AM GMT+5
    I think it is notable that the original words of the administration are not here for anyone to interpret for themselves. Why is that?

    I was under the impression that assassinations were against the law, regardless of citizenship.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Targeted Killing of American Citizens?
    Authored by: SpudHill on Friday, February 05 2010 @ 08:09 AM GMT+5
    One doesn't need to look to far to find what was actually said. I think he made it pretty clear: "we take direct action against terrorists....if we think that direct action involves the killing Americans we get specific permision to do that."
    Personally I find it amusing that Republicans who loved the Bush anti-terrorists laws and all the laws to defend the "Homeland" are now outraged just outraged by this somewhat innocuous revelation. I mean did anyone think that they wouldn't target Americans involved also...at least they get permission first...

    This is from Huff post.

    "Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair offered confirmation on Wednesday that the U.S. intelligence community is authorized to assassinate Americans abroad who are considered direct terrorist threats to the United States.

    "We take direct actions against terrorists in the intelligence community," Blair told lawmakers at a House Intelligence Committee hearing. "If we think that direct action will involve killing an American, we get specific permission to do that."

    Blair, who was on Capitol Hill Wednesday to give an annual threat assessment, also confirmed al Qaeda's continued ambitions to carry out another attack on American soil.

    This latest information comes in the wake of a string of terrorist plots that have reportedly stemmed from radicalized Americans overseas.

    The Yemeni-American cleric Anwar al Awlaki, a former imam at a mosque in Falls Church, Va., was in contact with both Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the perpetrator of the failed Christmas airline bombing, as well as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the officer accused of killing 13 people at Ft. Hood, Tex. in November.

    Last month, the FBI charged American David Coleman Headley both as an accessory in the 2008 Mumbai attacks, and as a plotter in attacks on a Danish newspaper that printed cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad in 2005.

    Blair's latest disclosure follows last week's Washington Post report that recent military action in Yemen, which had been successful in killing many top al Qaeda officials, but not al Awlaki, was approved by President Obama. Al Awlaki is one of a handful of Americans that has been determined by the National Security Council and the Justice Department to be a U.S. intelligence target.

    Some House members raised concerns about these latest developments. Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.), who criticized the intelligence community this week for misconduct surrounding the 2001 attack on a plane piloted by American missionaries in Peru, questioned the policy.

    "The targeting of Americans -- it's a very sensitive issue, but again there's been more information in the public domain than what has been shared with this committee," Hoekstra said. "There is no clarity...what is the legal framework?"
    Glenn Greenwald penned an op-ed on Thursday criticizing the intelligence community's newly revealed authority to kill Americans abroad. Greenwald argues that "special permissions" for assassinations should not serve as sufficient credentials for murder. Without any judicial approval or oversight, Greenwald says, this process is "basically giving the President the power to impose death sentences on his own citizens without any charges or trial."
    Targeted Killing of American Citizens?
    Authored by: pjmelton on Friday, February 05 2010 @ 08:23 AM GMT+5
    Thanks for putting it in context. Posters should not assume everyone reads Huffpo when posting stories. I had no idea what this was about.

    Greenwald: "A very long time ago, I would be baffled when I'd read about things like the Salem witch hunts. How could so many people be collectively worked up into that level of irrational frenzy, where they cheered for people's torturous death as "witches" without any real due process or meaningful evidence? But all one has to do is look at our current Terrorism debates and it's easy to see how things like that happen."

    http://salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR

    Targeted Killing of American Citizens?
    Authored by: SpudHill on Friday, February 05 2010 @ 09:43 AM GMT+5
    Greenwald is talking about Anwar al-Awlaki.
    While Awlaki and his family protest that he isn't a radical muslim preaching against the US a visit to his web site/blog is actually full of praise of those who have killed US citizens here in terrorist attacks and urging of violence against the US as well as references to US citizens as "unwashed" and far worse, we are, to this man and his followers, infidels deserving of death.

    Now whether this means that the main subject of this post is applicable is up for debate but I would read the statement as referring to direct threats to the US or citizens of the US....and personally if al-Awlaki walked onto a plane I was on with a bomb in his shoe or underpants or where ever, whatever it would take to get him off that plane would be fine with me. It's just that there's a slippery slope issue here so yes, there should be a clearer definition.
    Targeted Killing of American Citizens?
    Authored by: pjmelton on Friday, February 05 2010 @ 09:48 AM GMT+5
    "full of praise of those who have killed US citizens here in terrorist attacks and urging of violence against the US as well as references to US citizens as "unwashed" and far worse, we are, to this man and his followers, infidels deserving of death"

    Whether he is an American citizen or not, beliefs and actions are two different things. As Greenwald points out in his blog post on the topic, the Supreme Court has made it quite clear that calls for violence and revolution are PROTECTED political speech. We may not like it, but that's what it means to be America.

    I can see having this guy on a watch list, a no-fly list, whatever. But having him on an assassination list? As I say to my kids, that is NOT OK.

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Targeted Killing of Citizens?
    Authored by: spinoza on Friday, February 05 2010 @ 08:09 AM GMT+5
    With a blanket of surveillance over our daily lives; with kids at gaming parlors plucked to be drone pilots, stationed on the other side of the world from their targets; with corporations free to fuel any kind of self-serving idiocy, etc,--it's safe to say the rules have changed.

    A future enemy might be one who resists bio-port implants, or refuses a religio-medical test...

    It more and more seems like all bets are off...

    Cue: the Anasazi...and have a great day...really!
    Targeted Killing of Citizens?
    Authored by: SpudHill on Friday, February 05 2010 @ 08:12 AM GMT+5
    I'm really concerned because I seriously heard on Coast-to-Coast last night that they are no longer implanting spy chips into people's bodies, they've now put microscopic spy chips into the flue vaccines and imbedding them that way! Be worried, be very worried!
    Targeted Killing of Citizens?
    Authored by: pjmelton on Friday, February 05 2010 @ 08:16 AM GMT+5
    "microscopic spy chips into the flue vaccines"

    Gotta keep an eye on all those elderly folks in long-term nursing care, after all!

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    "Economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." -- FDR
    Targeted Killing of American Citizens?
    Authored by: vtstream on Friday, February 05 2010 @ 10:05 AM GMT+5

    My reading of the 2001 resolution is that it is specifically targeted toward those involved with the Sept 11th attack. While this could be extended beyond those directly involved, the scope of acceptable action seems somewhat limited. I doubt whether Congress meant to imply that these powers would apply to ANY "terrorist" attack. See link to text of resolution

    It is indeed amusing to see Obama's political opponents bring this up now but support it when Bush was in charge. Doing so shows the true motivation behind the criticism and I'm not sure it has anything to do with upholding the Constitution. Obama said during his campaign that he would seek out and "kill Osama Bin Laden". So nothing has changed there. He was very clear about this.

    But I think the ACLU is correct in questioning these powers as they relate to the killing of U.S. citizens whether abroad or domestically. The Constitutional protections regarding due process are clear, though they have been violated in the past, ( Japanese internment, Waco, killing of Native peoples, Kent State, etc., etc.)

    Violating Constitutionally protected rights to due process was wrong in 2001 and it is wrong now, regardless of who is President. That's why I continue to send my small annual dues to the ACLU. As I see it, they are the only entity that has consistently tried to uphold the Constitution regardless of partisan politics. It is up to U.S. citizens to support these Constitutionally protected rights because if we sit by and complacently allow them to be violated then Spinoza is correct in saying that "the rules have changed" and that means the Al Qaida terrorists have won.

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