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    For Sale: Historic Brattleboro Reservoir - Close To Town, Needs Some Work    
    Tuesday, March 09 2010 @ 07:48 PM GMT+5
    Contributed by: cgrotke

    Town NewsIn addition to revisiting Pay As You Throw, Representative Town Meeting members will be asked to save the Chestnut Hill reservoir from the Selectboard by voting no when asked to sell it on March 20.

    As readers may recall. the Selectboard asked for an engineering report to find out what options were available to meet state safety requirements. Option #2, a $219,000 fix that keeps the reservoir pretty much as is, was endorsed by Public Works Director Steve Barrett and a number of residents, but the Selectboard curiously decided to put it up for sale instead with a vote of 3-2.

    Supporters of the historic dam would now like Town Meeting representatives to reject the proposal to sell the Chestnut Hill Reservoir, and have prepared an informational sheet to explain the situation from their point of view.

    First off, they say, it's a scenic location, a home to many animals, and greatly enjoyed by visitors. It's close to downtown, has a long history, is used by nature-exploring schoolkids and a habitat to be preserved.

    Second, any development there would require repaving the road up to Chestnut Hill to accommodate trucks, and that would cost the Town money.

    In addition, they say the permitting process would be a big hassle with it being an historic structure and habitat, and there would be legal challenges by neighbors if any construction was planned, making it unattractive for buyers.

    They feel the Selectboard wasn't thinking through the implications of their decision and were voting out of "financial expediency."

    They also remind Town Meeting members that John Allen, a former Selectboard member who wanted to sell Chestnut Hill, has been replaced with reservoir supporter Daryl Pillsbury.

    Reservoir supporters say "it is unrealistic for the Town of Brattleboro to expect that sale of the Chestnut Hill Reservoir is a viable means of avoiding the cost of bringing the dam up to State code," and "The Selectboard could save even more money by selling Living Memorial Park and other public properties. Selling valuable public assets is not a legitimate budgetary tactic."

    Instead, they say, go with Option #2 and bring the Chestnut Hill Reservoir up to code. They believe it is cost-competitive and good sense for the Town.

    To see how this unfolds, stay tuned to iBrattleboro. Representative Town Meeting Day will be streaming live here on March 20.

    (You can search around the Brain Trust for pictures of Chestnut Hill and Highland Park, the former in-town park and pathways near the reservoir.)

     

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    Chestnut Hill - Another Perspective
    Authored by: davidvdunn on Wednesday, March 10 2010 @ 09:33 AM GMT+5

    After reading the ibrattleboro account of the reservoir situation, I can only chuckle. Who would, for example, call a fenced in, decaying cement pond, half filled with black water ‘scenic’? No animals can call this structure ‘home’; there is no place to rest, let alone nest. The few ducks that visit the area always end up in the adjacent vernal pond because it provides cover. About two years ago, several aquatic birds stopped over and died in the pond from unknown causes. And ‘nature-exploring school kids’? In order to explore the water they need to climb the four-foot tall chain link fence and hang over the sides (the water is six feet lower than the concrete sidewalls). The only thing in the water is bullfrog and catfish – both artificially introduced by children from the neighborhood. And speaking of children, whenever they go over the fence, mine included, the neighbors always tell them to get out – saying it is unsafe to play there.

    Looking at the infrastructure of the neighborhood, if my memory serves me well, the Brattleboro capital plan had scheduled Chestnut Hill for repaving back in the late 1990’s. Right now, the road is a cracked, potholed mess due to age and frost heaves. It needs to repaving regardless of what happens to the reservoir. Another concern is the far corner where the ledge on one side and fence on the other blocks Town emergency equipment from making the turn.

    Speaking to the issue of what to do with the ‘unsafe’ dam. While I support the option to restore the dam and refill the pond, I cannot in good conscious support paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to repair something that no one can use and that benefits only my neighbors and me.

    Essentially, if we do not do something different, the utility rate-payers will be asked to spend money to continue to lock away a piece of valuable real estate so no one can use it. If the Town is going to spend money on this, it has always been my desire to fill it and open it up to the community at large. By doing this, the rate-payers actually get something for their money - something that we can all use.

    Chestnut Hill - Another Perspective
    Authored by: cgrotke on Wednesday, March 10 2010 @ 09:40 AM GMT+5
    "Scenic" is a word used on the sheet being handed out to Town Meeting
    Members. They describe the reservoir and surrounding area as scenic.

    As for animals, they say: "In addition the reservoir is a permanent or
    temporary home to fish, frogs, crustaceans, herons, migratory ducks, and
    other wildlife."
    Chestnut Hill - Another Perspective
    Authored by: no-see-um on Thursday, March 11 2010 @ 11:30 AM GMT+5
    Has anyone attempted to find out how much the reservoir is actually being used by the public for recreation? If some "traffic" figures could be amassed and tabulated it would provide concrete (no pun intended) data of the reservoir's recreational value to the community. Your parks & recreation folks must have devised methods to calculate hour-to-hour usage as part of their annual budget reports.

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    no-see-um
    Chestnut Hill - Another Perspective
    Authored by: cgrotke on Thursday, March 11 2010 @ 12:05 PM GMT+5
    You'd actually be looking at the traffic around the reservoir. The
    reservoir itself is fenced off, so no one is allowed in it. It's not a park,
    either. The DPW is in charge.

    The value would come from walking around it, looking at it, and so
    on. The people who live there have a good sense of what the day is
    like. We've heard David imply that almost no one enjoys it, and Scott
    say that the number of people enjoying it is countless.

    I think the real number depends a bit on the weather and the day. It's
    not crowded like a beach, but when you walk around it you almost
    always run in to someone else doing the same, or a homeowner
    coming or going.

    If you go to our maps section, you can use the Google map to zoom
    in. Switch to the satellite view and you can get a pretty good
    overhead look. It's off Western Ave/High Street, near Upper Forest
    St. (where Green Street intersects).
    Good Points
    Authored by: ScottMcCarty on Thursday, March 11 2010 @ 12:54 PM GMT+5
    All good points. You have a steady flow of people who walk around the Reservoir and use it as an access point to the Retreat Woods, to the walking trails and the tower. Saying that no one looks at it is so incredibly erroneous or even walks up there is a fallacy. It's a tremendous body of water. How can you not see it? When you walk up there during the summer, you can hear the peepers and the birds and the breeze off the Reservoir is just amazing. I'm attaching the VPR story that was done last summer and you can hear the sounds.

    http://www.vpr.net/news_detail/85286/

    I mean you have to take my word for it that people walk up there daily. You do get a steady flow of traffic. You can ask any of the neighbors and other folks that walk up there on their lunch break to enjoy a little piece and quiet.

    I would love to count how much foot traffic we get. Don't know how we do that since it is a green, open-space but it would be interesting all the same.

    I would really encourage Town Meeting Reps to contact a neighbor and we can go up with you and show you the Reservoir and the area. There is quiet a bit of history up there and we'd love to share it with you.

    Email me at scottcmccarty@gmail.com or give me a call 802-338-0874 and we can work something out. Don't take it from me. We want to share with you what we have.

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    Access to Reservoir
    Authored by: bluecat on Thursday, March 11 2010 @ 02:44 PM GMT+5
    Is there parking? how would someone who doesn't live in the neighborhood access the reservoir? i bet the folks that "use" it all live there. I bet no one from West B (or even the other side of Bratt for that matter) drives over to chestnut hill to walk around. it really is just a neighborhood feature, for the use of the residents of that neighborhood. if there really were "tons and tons" of people up there, wouldn't there be parking issues?

    Access to Reservoir
    Authored by: cgrotke on Thursday, March 11 2010 @ 02:59 PM GMT+5
    It's a destination, a summit of sorts, for people walking, so they don't
    generally park there. (For example, some park down by the ski jump and
    walk through the woods)

    It's more likely to see people walking to the reservoir than driving,
    though a few seem to drive the dogs up, then walk through the woods.
    Access to Reservoir
    Authored by: ScottMcCarty on Thursday, March 11 2010 @ 04:37 PM GMT+5
    There is parking near the Frog pond and there are usually a few cars parked around there. It's private property but no one really cares.

    I mean, do you know for a fact that no one uses it? Because I was running with my dog up there this morning and I saw 3 people doing their morning walking regiment and 2 of them walked into the Retreat Woods (too muddy in the woods for a stroll).

    You say that it is only a neighborhood feature. Maybe you are half-right. It's a feature that our neighborhood has that attracts a host of people. I know quite a few people who work downtown who walk up to the Reservoir and the woods every day to stretch their legs.

    As Chris says, it's a destination and yes, a lot of folks park down near the Ski Jump.

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    Access to Reservoir
    Authored by: annikee on Sunday, March 14 2010 @ 02:07 PM GMT+5
    Back in my walking days, I went up there frequently, in all seasons. It's a beautiful place, quiet and meditative and reachable for most. I'd hate to see it lost forever.
    For Sale: Historic Brattleboro Reservoir - Close To Town, Needs Some Work
    Authored by: bluecat on Wednesday, March 10 2010 @ 10:08 AM GMT+5
    I have to agree with David. Seems like a lot of money to spend on something that is only accessible to a few residents. the money would be better spent on making improvements to the current parks, that all town residents can use.

    it is the responsibility of the town to make sure the area is safe and secure. draining it is probably the best option to prevent an accidental drowning.
    For Sale: Historic Brattleboro Reservoir - Close To Town, Needs Some Work
    Authored by: annikee on Wednesday, March 10 2010 @ 10:16 AM GMT+5
    Hss there ever been a drowning, in all its years? Sounds a bit dramatic.
    For Sale: Historic Brattleboro Reservoir - Close To Town, Needs Some Work
    Authored by: bluecat on Wednesday, March 10 2010 @ 11:36 AM GMT+5
    perhaps it is a bit dramatic, but as david said, even the neighbors yell at the kids to get out of there because it is unsafe. the last thing the town needs is a lawsuit from an accidental drowning.
    For Sale: Historic Brattleboro Reservoir - Close To Town, Needs Some Work
    Authored by: annikee on Wednesday, March 10 2010 @ 06:34 PM GMT+5
    But it's never happened. This seems a moot deal. Or a straw man. "Even David"? It's Only David. I don't see anybody else saying it.
    And Speaking of Cost...
    Authored by: davidvdunn on Wednesday, March 10 2010 @ 10:54 AM GMT+5

    One of the concerns for Utility ratepayers should be the cost estimates provided by the engineers. To those who did not attend the Select Board meeting when Dubois & King presented all the options, there were serious questions about their cost estimates. When I specifically challenged the ‘fill-in’ option, the engineer acknowledged that their cost was inflated. They had included, for example, over $100,000 in extra engineering fees, $5,000 to seed the newly created open space and the full cost of repaving Chestnut Hill. Repaving the Hill is needed regardless and it was odd they included it in the fill-in option but excluded it from other options, including Option 2.

    Since this firm is, in fact, dam preservationists (pun intended), I think we should relook at all the options and figure out what each would actually cost – and then weigh it against its' benefits. I believe, with proper management, we can fill-in the pond for close to the current projected cost of Option 2.
    And Speaking of Cost...
    Authored by: FlyingPuck on Wednesday, March 10 2010 @ 02:08 PM GMT+5
    Again, David Dunn is trying to portray his one-man campaign as a mass movement. When he says "there were serious questions" about the cost estimates in the engineering report, he is talking about his lone challenge to the cost estimate of his preferred option, the one involving draining the reservoir and bulldozing the walls. (That, by the way, was the most expensive of the 8 options identified, even with the reductions advocated by David.) He purports to have a better idea about real costs than a company experienced in such work. Perhaps David can cite which of the financially successful companies he has managed supplies that expertise.

    David finishes here by attributing ulterior motives to the DuBois & King engineering firm that did the study. DuBois & King is recused from eligibility for any work done on the dam, so there is no conflict of interest as David implies.

    If the dam were sold and ended up in someone's possession (Whose?) for private development, that would indeed be an ulterior motive.
    And Speaking of Cost...
    Authored by: ScottMcCarty on Wednesday, March 10 2010 @ 05:27 PM GMT+5
    How about the $30,000 of taxpayer money that was spent on the engineering study only to have it ignored? That's a great use to taxpayer money. (sarcasm)

    I would like to respond especially to David's comments about only a few people using the Reservoir. That is categorically untrue. Countless people use the Reservoir on a daily basis. It's a hot spot for walkers, bikers, dog-walkers and hikers who want to access the area and take advantage of its the natural beauty.

    When we think of filling it in, we have to take into account the permitting, the impact that it will have on area property values, where the water from the springs will go (and yes, it has to go somewhere), the cost to repair in the road once all those dump trucks leave, the need for sidewalks...Shall I go on?

    We don't need a park. We have a park at the bottom of the hill. It's called Crowell Lot.

    The neighbors and several folks within the community worked in good faith with the town. The Department of Public Works was a fantastic partner. And in the end, we were blind sided. All we want is to maintain this important piece of Brattleboro's history that people truly enjoy (except David, obviously) and make sure it's around for future generations.

    People use this area and the community will see proof of that in the weeks ahead.

    Off to the info meeting!

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    And Speaking of Cost...
    Authored by: Timmy on Thursday, March 11 2010 @ 02:57 PM GMT+5
    Scott as someone who himself enjoys the walk around the reservoir on a semi-regular basis and as a town meeting rep, I would like to say that my greatest concerns are that the DPW's recommendation AND the will of the nearby residents seem to have been disregarded.
    My question to you is this:
    What would the residents like to see happen on the 20th? A simple no vote or a yes to the sale with conditions added? Would the local residents be prepared to make an offer to the town for the right to preserve the property?
    I might suggest that you try to prepare a unified statement from a number of locals concerning the issue, so that we as reps can get a sense as to the thoughts of the majority of the reservoir's neighbors.
    Sure...
    Authored by: ScottMcCarty on Thursday, March 11 2010 @ 04:46 PM GMT+5
    We're working on something right now and will be sending it out to Town Meeting Reps soon. This is a group of neighbors and citizens outside of the neighborhood who are working on this.

    Speaking for myself, I would like the body to vote NO. It was a rushed decision and there are a lot of unanswered questions that I think need to be answered that were not answered. There are questions about impact on land values, impact on costs and impact on the environment that have not been addressed and frankly -- the previous Selectboard went against the wishes of their constituents and fellow taxpayers. I know I'm willing to help with mowing and pruning in the summer because as I said at the info meeting last night -- the town taking care of the Reservoir is a relatively new phenomenon. Osmer Fitts, who use to live up on the hill, hired local kids to mow the grass and also prune the trumpet vines he planted. I know quiet a few neighbors are willing to help defray that cost to the town, which as Steve Barrett has said repeatedly, is not high and something he would welcome.

    We're preparing something now for the community to read and we'll send it out to you in a few days. We'll be sure to post it on iBrattleboro for everyone to see, as well.

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    www.scottmccarty.org
    Sure...
    Authored by: NorahCook on Sunday, March 14 2010 @ 10:25 AM GMT+5
    Open space that is used by the public should be preserved wherever
    and whenever possible, for the health and sanity of all. Maybe
    someone could add up the costs that would be incurred should it be
    sold into private hands? If the neighborhood wishes to keep it,
    however, they will have to answer to folks who feel that's it's a well-
    heeled neighborhood that would benefit... and make it plain as day
    that schoolchildren, parents who jog or push stollers, dog-walkers,
    bird-watchers, and assorted everybody would be welcomed to the
    publicly owned site. The neighborhood is going to have to share its
    asset, one way or another--the question is, do they share with the
    owners of a McMansion that is built literally in their midst, or do they
    share with the townspeople?

    Sure...
    Authored by: SteevL on Sunday, March 14 2010 @ 01:40 PM GMT+5
    Norah, the area around the Reservoir is already open to everybody. If you read the above comments, you can see what kinds of people regularly make use of the area.

    The local residents have also resolved to take more responsibility for the upkeep of the Reservoir grounds to lighten the burden on the Town while keeping the area attractive for visitors and residents alike.

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