Authored by: SpudHill on Saturday, September 04 2010 @ 02:56 PM GMT+5

Oh, I see, at first I thought you meant you were holding a forum to honor the victims of 9/11 but after careful reading I see that you must actually be honoring the numbers 9 & 11. No one but a ghoulish cretin would show videos of that tragedy and discuss conspiracy theories as a way to honor the 9/11 dead. Especially on the anniversary.....that would just simply be too cruel.

Authored by: imhennessy on Saturday, September 04 2010 @ 08:53 PM GMT+5

Is it still too soon to discuss the events? Or do you think those who died would prefer we remember them by accepting the promulgated version of events?

Given that many of them were either in a huge skyscraper in Manhattan, or the Pentagon (neither strikes me as a hotbed of conformist orthodoxy, nor a likely place to find those who choose received truth over reason), I double the second is true. Given that it is being held on the 9th anniversary, the former seems crazy. I'm not sure what the objection could be.

If you think the questions settled, perhaps you should attend and debunk? Or accept that some will always believe in a different truth than you.

ivan

Authored by: SpudHill on Sunday, September 05 2010 @ 03:57 AM GMT+5

"I'm not sure what the objection could be."
The objection would be that their horrific deaths are being used as ghoulish creepy entertainment and in some cases profit making for the benefit of a bunch of non-thinking or caring jerks. There are 364 other days to hold your little 9-11 truth meetings. Have a moment of silence or a prayer service or something else in their memory. Once again I must add, my child has shown great wisdom in rejecting Keene State as the lack of scholarship at this school becomes more and more self evident. Sponsoring this event, my gawd, what an exhibition of bad judgment.

Authored by: imhennessy on Sunday, September 05 2010 @ 07:02 AM GMT+5

Would the atheist prefer a prayer?

I won't be going to this event. I think the issue of how we, as a nation, have used and abused these events and the death and destruction they brought is more important than arguing, or proselytizing, about how to assign blame for them.

I do find it terrifying, though, how often the solution is to not talk about things, how often the presumption that people cannot recognize a sensationalist ploy or cold exploitation is revealed.

You don't want to be a part of the conversation. That makes perfect sense to me. The rage at the idea that others do is confusing.

ivan

Authored by: SpudHill on Sunday, September 05 2010 @ 07:36 AM GMT+5

Who knows what the atheist would prefer once killed. But certainly not a bunch of ghouls sitting around pretending they are "honoring" the death by discussing conspiracy theories and financially benefiting those who have been making money off this cottage industry.

"You don't want to be a part of the conversation. That makes perfect sense to me. The rage at the idea that others do is confusing."

If these ghouls want to make money off of conspiracy theories fine but just pick a different day to do it. As I pointed out they have 364 other choices but don't pretend this is about honoring anyone.

Perhaps you've missed prior conversations but the rage comes from personal experience of the event up close and personal as well as knowledge of the buildings, the situation that day, the mistruths (WTC7) about fires, the purported peer reviewed papers (all vanity presses, not substantial accredited reviews) and the fact that all roads lead back to a handful of people who are financially benefiting from these groups while putting up phony credentials and pretending to be more than they ever were in order to benefit from the deaths of others. Not to mention some who have political motives and are using these deaths and the "movement" callously to exploit their own political motivations.

That's where the rage comes from..........

Authored by: SpudHill on Sunday, September 05 2010 @ 07:37 AM GMT+5

Oh yeah, then there are the gullible saps who just need to feel important, like they are the only truth seekers.

Fine
Pick another day

Authored by: cgrotke on Sunday, September 05 2010 @ 11:54 AM GMT+5

"Is it still too soon to discuss the events?"

You can discuss that it happened, but not why.

Authored by: SpudHill on Sunday, September 05 2010 @ 12:22 PM GMT+5

OH I think it can be discussed and even questions as to why put forth but just for this one day particularly with this one group because there are people making money from this "cottage" industry, leave it alone for crying out loud. Ånd particularly don't claim to be holding a truther event on the anniversary in "honor" of the victims. What a bunch of hooey.

Authored by: javanyet on Monday, September 06 2010 @ 07:45 PM GMT+5

How about it's time to admit the world has been proven to be ROUND, and not liking the answer is not a basis for continuing "debate"??

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Authored by: Maus Anon E on Saturday, September 04 2010 @ 10:47 PM GMT+5

It seems like a great idea to get together and mock the victims of 9/11 on the anniversary of the day they died.

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Authored by: Christian Avard on Sunday, September 05 2010 @ 01:23 PM GMT+5

I'm sorry but I have no tolerance for these kinds of imbeciles
and their bastardization of the 9-11 atrocities.

Authored by: annikee on Sunday, September 05 2010 @ 09:06 AM GMT+5

"Honor" 9/11 Victims? In what convoluted universe does this Truther Convention qualify as an "Honor" for 9/11 Victims? Call it what it is. A Truther Convention on the one day they can cash in on most- the anniversary of the death of thousands. This doesn't honor any dead, it exploits them.

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Authored by: Christian Avard on Tuesday, September 07 2010 @ 08:47 AM GMT+5

"You're all a bunch of 'coincidence theorists!'" Wake up, you
sheeple!

Authored by: javanyet on Monday, September 06 2010 @ 07:44 PM GMT+5

It's been nine years, two endless wars, and 100's of millions of dollars and hours of attention milked from this immortal cash cow.

It's time to find a new basis for organized paranoia. C'mon, give it a shot... there never seems to be a shortage of source material.

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Authored by: babalu on Monday, September 06 2010 @ 08:24 PM GMT+5

I'm sure most everyone has heard about the crackpot in Florida who is calling on folks to symbolically burn copies of the Koran over the weekend? This having to do with the mosque in NYC, but being carried out on the anniversary of 9/11.

I thought there were ample laws that have nothing to do with religion that could be used to stop some of the madness; "inciting a riot" comes to mind. I wish someone would just step up to the plate and demand that people start using the brain their "god" gave them so that all of this crap can come to an abrupt end - including the discussions on theory.

It's scary to look at some of the percentages involved in terms of who is up to what concerning 9/11, who is believing what nonsense, and the various ways that people are choosing to "honor" the dead by virtue of instilling yet more fear and hate.

Authored by: George Tirebiter on Monday, September 06 2010 @ 08:30 PM GMT+5

It's interesting, but almost all of the comments here are
much more telling than the original post.

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Authored by: babalu on Monday, September 06 2010 @ 09:08 PM GMT+5

The comments seem to make it clear that people are using 9/11 as a date to capture attention for their own personal cause(s); which is directly related to the original post.
How many people would be listening say, on June 4th to an invitation to examine theory or burn Korans?

Authored by: annikee on Tuesday, September 07 2010 @ 05:26 PM GMT+5

Yes, and it's good to see that most people aren't looking to pick scabs on a day that many personally lost a loved one, or several.

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Authored by: Lise on Wednesday, September 08 2010 @ 08:33 AM GMT+5

I never bought the official story of 9/11 and I never will. Whether it was LIHOP or MIHOP or something in between, I'll never know but I don't talk about it obviously, because I'd be slammed as a crazy, tinfoil hat wearing nutcase (which despite my geopolitical views, I am not).

So to echo Ivan -- is it really too soon?

I think it will always be too soon with regard to 9/11, similar to the way people were still ridiculing folks who didn't buy the single-bullet theory long into the 1980s. I guess what I don't understand is why we trust public officials in this case, even though many of us suspect them of lying about all manner of other things -- just not this one.

Authored by: Maus Anon E on Wednesday, September 08 2010 @ 09:26 AM GMT+5

I think it's weird that by questioning the official report, you voluntarily group yourself with the fringe "truthers." It's true that they have co-opted the word "truth," but they don't seek the same truth that you do. In fact, far from seeking the truth, they seek to "prove" their bizzarre hypothoses by distorting reality itself.

To be a "truther" is to believe that the government intentionally killed thousands of people, including rescue workers, when they wired the WTC with explosives. They have "proven" that explosives were used to bring down the WTC, not the two planes that we all saw crash into them.

To be a "truther" is to deny, for instance, that hundreds of people on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon died in a horrible terrorist attack. They like to "prove" that a plane couldn't have made that damage. (I know someone, now dead, who saw that plane crash into the Pentagon.)

To be a "truther" is to deny that hundreds of people died on the plane that crashed into Shanksville, PA. Truthers have "proven" that the crater there wasn't caused by a plane.

So yes, it is too soon to get a group together on the anniversary of 9/11 and talk about how some of the people who died that day didn't really die, and how the others were put down like dogs by their own government. It's too soon to entertain the stupidity of people who have been proven wrong time and time again, not only by independent experts, but by eye witnesses. I can't imagine there will ever be a good time to, as I say, mock the victims of 9/11.

Do you really entertain the notion that the government was behind the attack, and that there were no planes at the Pentagon and Shanksville?

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Authored by: pjmelton on Wednesday, September 08 2010 @ 09:37 AM GMT+5

I think it is mainly the "honoring" part in the headline that upset people.

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Authored by: SpudHill on Wednesday, September 08 2010 @ 11:38 AM GMT+5

NO, not for me, for me it's mainly the fact that certain people who have spent their time making money and seeking some sort of "fame" promulgating 9-11 truth which is distasteful enough, now do so on the actual anniversary of that horrific day. Well actually I guess yes, also the word honor seems pretty out of place and context in regards to this motley crew. And then of course there's the self-righteous attitude that leads them to make claims that they know what happened regardless of what eye-witnesses saw. Lise, have you seen the real photos of the fires at WT7, not the ones from the far side of the building put out by the truthers? I'm speaking about the ones that show that entire floors of the building on the side facing the WTC were engulfed in flame. I knew people who saw those fires, but I guess they were just delusional or something or lying because god knows the truthers know better than any eyewitnesses....

Oh Melton they just annoy me in general but maybe you're right....."honor" please give me a break.

Authored by: SpudHill on Wednesday, September 08 2010 @ 11:43 AM GMT+5

This isn't a serious fire?
WT7 photographed from the side facing the WTC
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/589/wtc5afire01km1.jpg

Authored by: SpudHill on Wednesday, September 08 2010 @ 11:49 AM GMT+5

Lise, didn't mean to single you out and my post might have seemed that way. I'm just baffled when people I regard as bright seem to be willing to not give credence to these truthers over eyewitnesses. Any time you look closely at their claims it's all a sham including those supposedly peer reviewed papers which are really just vanity presses. I don't get the need to think that there was something more than what there was.......

But as I said go ahead feel free discuss it but why not pick one of the other 364 days in the year. Why does it have to be on the anniversary? Why not show some ounce or two of respect and then do your little truther thing another day.

Authored by: SpudHill on Wednesday, September 08 2010 @ 11:50 AM GMT+5

seem to be willing to not give credence to these truthers over eyewitnesses

sorry that should have been

seem to be willing TO GIVE credence to these truthers over eyewitnesses

Authored by: annikee on Wednesday, September 08 2010 @ 02:33 PM GMT+5

That is part of it to me, but only a small part.

What bends me outta shape is these people making a living off of sensationalizing, promoting paranoia and factoids, and otherwise encouraging the fringe element into being a "movement' that actually detracts from what the doubters are questioning.

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Authored by: EmilyP on Thursday, September 09 2010 @ 08:33 AM GMT+5

It is good to question authority, and 9/11 offers us many
reasons to question. That 3000 people were killed then,
as if 3000 people aren't killed everyday in one way or
another, many more torturously than the ones we lost that
day. Have we lost sight of the immortality of spirit, and
the fact it was bodies lost, but spirit always continues.
Are the same people who are loathe to question the
facts about 9/11 able to question the facts about the bail-
out ? Do you doubt that reams of people have died quietly
out of the media's eye, in such scenarios as being thrown
onto the street so that a wall street banker can add a zero
to his account ?
If, in fact steel building would never crumble as
witnessed, in the heat of a jet fuel fire, do we not owe
ourselves the duty to understand why it happened in this
one scenario ?
WE have learned in history that other presidents use an
attack on homeland as a means to fire the population up
for war.
I hope that you use your intellect to bolster your opinion
with something other than haranging and put-downs,
because bullying is no way to make a point. Steel
buildings do not dissolve into dust in fires, ANYWHERE,
why then did they do so then?
It is the answer you do not give, and nor has the office
of the president.

Authored by: SpudHill on Thursday, September 09 2010 @ 10:38 AM GMT+5

"Steel
buildings do not dissolve into dust in fires, ANYWHERE,
why then did they do so then? "
Emily, this statement shows an such a huge lack of knowledge about the construction of the buildings and the science behind the fires and the components of the dust that it's just plain inexcusable. And that's the problem with those who only follow the information provided by truthers. I won't even touch your horrible comments about the deaths. Don't you have a campaign to run or a lawsuit to file?

Authored by: EmilyP on Friday, September 10 2010 @ 09:54 AM GMT+5

I have listened professionals who have emassed a good deal
of evidence, people who are indeed artchitects. There are
many. They are more credible than you. Architects for 9/11

Authored by: EmilyP on Friday, September 10 2010 @ 09:57 AM GMT+5

My comments about the deaths are true, deaths, horrible
deaths are happening everyday, in the congo for example,
where is your outrage ? Is someone less human because they
do not live in America? I would venture not.

Authored by: SpudHill on Friday, September 10 2010 @ 12:43 PM GMT+5

Well gee Emily thanks for bringing up 9-11 Architects. Richard Gage, the founder, happens to be one of the most ghoulish of the opportunists who have managed to make a little career off of the deaths of the victims. An architect whose expertise never went beyond mall buildings and a high school gym and then, at best, a position that amounts to a paper pusher/go-fer for the firms he worked for, he claims a number of around 1200 engineers and architects who have signed on. Of those about 600-700 are in the US. Emily there are around 100,000 architects alone in the US. Of those 100,000 none who are of any substance or reputation have voiced any questions or concerns about the collapses. When I refer to ghouls Gage is foremost in my mind.

As for your absurd and insulting assumption that because one objects to a meeting of truthers being held on the anniversary of and supposedly in "honor" of 9-11 victims that one then does not have any feelings or concern about victims in other countries and/or conflicts......you just exhibit such a tremendous lack of understanding and such faulty reasoning that it is really quite astounding...do you really lack that great an understanding of nuance and complexity that you automatically assume that someone who objects to profit-making from 9-11 and lack of respect would automatically then not care about victims elsewhere. Is this really the line of reasoning you would take? Oh my.....................

Authored by: Maus Anon E on Thursday, September 09 2010 @ 02:16 PM GMT+5

***I hope that you use your intellect to bolster your opinion ***
Ditto. You could start with a search in the upper righthand box on this page. We've thoroughly hashed out the truthers' absurd claims about steel buildings and jet fuel before.

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Authored by: SJD on Wednesday, September 08 2010 @ 06:13 PM GMT+5

One has to ponder, if any of what the Truthers say has merit, would it not stand to reason Obama would blow the roof off this thing and expose it for what it is... there would have been too many conspirators involved to remain silent so long. Certainly Obama would gain politically and seal his transparency claims! Where are all those Senate and House hearings? He has excess into info that no one else has.. clearly the Truthers had a profound effect over the last election, spewing propaganda and adverse credibility claims against the former administration etc.. by design. I think Obama's silence confirms the real story of what happened, or is he now part of it... wooooo.. another chapter

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Authored by: pjmelton on Wednesday, September 08 2010 @ 06:28 PM GMT+5

"the Truthers had a profound effect over the last election, spewing propaganda and adverse credibility claims against the former administration"

You have GOT to be kidding.

Bush and company do not need the help of fringe conspiracy theorists in order to appear corrupt. The facts are quite enough.

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Authored by: SJD on Thursday, September 09 2010 @ 08:26 AM GMT+5

Facts... strong word for oppositional fiction based on BDS. Show me the carfax!

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Authored by: pjmelton on Thursday, September 09 2010 @ 09:00 AM GMT+5

I have no intention of having an argument with you about the 43rd president.

However, the idea that a fringe conspiracy theory affected the election in any way was far too absurd to ignore. I just wanted to find out if you were joking on purpose or if it was independently hilarious.

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Authored by: Maus Anon E on Thursday, September 09 2010 @ 12:48 PM GMT+5

This is going to morph into the "Obama the mooslum is behind 9/11" conspiracy so fast it'll make your head spin.

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Authored by: tiny on Friday, September 10 2010 @ 08:40 AM GMT+5

When I first saw this post, I was going to ignore it. What
a bunch of cretins to "honor 9/11" but then again , I guess
it has nothing to do with victims of 9/11 but rather put
forward their theories surrounding the event. Why do it on
a day that I remember and celebrate the life of my
brother in law who died innocently on UA 175?

But then I watched others pigs get into the act. First
there is this "preacher" in Florida (who sells furniture in
his spare time on eBay) who wants to burn copies of the
Koran on 9/11. Then, the whole baloney surrounding the
proposed mosque near the site of the WTC and then that
complete ponce Donald Trump jumps into the fray and
says he will buy back the building to house the mosque for
25% more than what the Iman bought it for.

So we have all these jerks capitalizing on the a day where
we should remember victims and just maybe discuss peace
and tolerance but no, we get Donald Trump trying to do a
stupid deal publicly to enhance his bloated ego, Terry
Jones push his message of hate and really give the rest of
the world to think Americans are behind this moron and
Tomaidh inviting us to a forum to listen to conspiracy
garbage under the guise of revealing the TRUTH.

Let's say NO to all this garbage.

Authored by: babalu on Friday, September 10 2010 @ 11:49 AM GMT+5

It's times like these that remind me there is a great deal to fear in our own back yard; and defining acts of terrorism for me include threats of mass book burnings and voices of hate against an entire population of people based on the acts of one or a few. It includes far more than the Muslim people and it never ends.

I am in shock when I see how many people accept and participate in these types of insults which equate to an utter disrespect against all humanity and all things humanitarian. I am as shocked when I see how many people believe the impossible. It literally makes me feel sick and I have been increasingly, truly depressed over these topics and others within a similar realm; (Obama is not an American; justification of the death penalty; the use of biblical "directives" as "truth"; the list is genuinely endless).

So, Tiny, my condolences to you and your family on the horrific manner in which you've lost your brother-in-law, which I feel is enough of a cross to bear without people so recklessly adding to that painful loss in the name of adding yet more insanity into the mix with endless theory, accusation, religion, patriotism, hate, sarcasm, blame, riot, murder and mayhem, headline opportunities and every other rotten thing these muslim hating, government hating, theory twisting, self-righteous intellectual wannabe opportunists can dream up.

When other people will, without a second thought, rob you and your family of what ought to be a nationwide, shared remembrance of those who suffered the dearest loss of all, they cannot possibly be considered human.

Authored by: tiny on Friday, September 10 2010 @ 05:22 PM GMT+5

I appreciate your kind thoughts, as do the other hundreds
of thousands relatives, friends, lovers of victims who were
injured or die that terrible day.

I said what I did reluctantly as I didn't want to cheapen
the memory of Jim, but there many, many like me,
particularly in the northeast, who have one or two degrees
of separation between ourselves and victims of 9/11.

It disgusts me how this cycle of news today and this
weekend will have the cretins on 24/7. I say no to burning
Korans, watching all this nonsense on TV, attending truther
meetings and any other nonsense. How about we all take
a minute on Saturday to remmeber the friends and loved
ones we lost that day on 9/11.

Then we can get back to all the insanity on 9/12.

Authored by: SpudHill on Friday, September 10 2010 @ 06:29 PM GMT+5

Perfectly said and expressed Tiny.

Authored by: George Tirebiter on Saturday, September 11 2010 @ 12:03 PM GMT+5

Recall that it was only several days after September 11, 2001, before the conservatives realized who the real culprits were, the dirty, f***in hippies:

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1083

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Authored by: annikee on Saturday, September 11 2010 @ 03:03 PM GMT+5

Thank you, tiny.

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Authored by: tomaidh on Friday, September 10 2010 @ 03:34 PM GMT+5

If you're a truther, only a full and independent investigation will satisfy you.
If you beleive the gov't line, only a full and independent investigation will justify you.
Where's the downside?
911 is the most important event in the 21st century.
We need absolute certainty about what happened and why.
We paid $400,000 for the 911 Commission Report, $40,000,000 to investigate Monica's blue dress.

Authored by: Maus Anon E on Friday, September 10 2010 @ 08:00 PM GMT+5

***If you're a truther, only a full and independent investigation will satisfy you.***
No. No it wouldn't.

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Authored by: tiny on Saturday, September 11 2010 @ 06:25 AM GMT+5

Your facts are ridiculous, and I doubt all your questions will
ever be satisfied.

Authored by: Christian Avard on Saturday, September 11 2010 @ 12:00 PM GMT+5

I think the questions posed by 9-11 "truthers" have
already been debunked by independent experts, meaning
those who are not affiliated with the U.S. government or
who do not identify with "official" story. Nothing will
satisfy these so-called truthers. So be it.

Speaking for myself, I think the conclusions that 9-11
truthers pose are shameful and imbecilic. The 9-11 rubbish
they spout is nothing but a polemic suiting their rhetoric. I
feel like whenever they spout this garbage that they're
really trying to convince themselves that they're right.
This is a minority group engaging in a perpetual circle jerk.
Nothing angers me more than fringe lunatics bastardizing
the atrocities of this horrific event.

I have nothing more to say about this.

Authored by: Christian Avard on Saturday, September 11 2010 @ 11:32 AM GMT+5