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    Five Years Before Climate Change is Irreversible, Says Report    
    Wednesday, November 09 2011 @ 01:00 PM GMT+5
    Contributed by: cgrotke

    Sci-TechI was scanning headlines this morning and came across a doomy one in the Guardian entitled "World headed for irreversible climate change in five years, IEA warns."

    Yikes. This comes on the heels of another report saying emissions had risen by record amounts in the last year. What in the world is going on?

    The headline was about the 2011 World Energy Outlook," a report published today by the International Energy Agency.

    The IEA says that if we continue using fossil fuels at our current rates, by 2017 we'll have used up our carbon budget and will cross over the limits of safety. When that happens, climate change becomes catastrophic and irreversible. Expect even more extreme weather, say the scientists.

    I thought we had until, oh, sometime after I was dead and gone. (I had no plans to depart before 2017, either.)

    Maybe these energy scientists are alarmists.

    The IEA is considered to be conservative in their estimates, says the Guardian article. "The IEA's data is regarded as the gold standard in emissions and energy, and it is widely regarded as one of the most conservative in outlook – making today's warning all the more stark."

    Oh, crud.

    Well, what needs to be done? We're resourceful people...

    All that has to happen, the article says, is that we make immediate and drastic changes to everything. Each month that goes by and each decision about our infrastructure is critical. Don't add any high carbon buildings, factories or power plants.

    In the same article it says that big countries like the US and China aren't planning to do anything anytime soon and other countries are trying to schedule a meeting to update the Kyoto Protocols that expire in 2012. They hope to have a new agreement by 2020.

    Arrrgh!

    The story ends with a quote from Bob Ward, policy and communications director at the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment at London School of Economics and Political Science.

    "This new report is a final warning that we are perilously close to the point of no return on climate change... As the IEA points out, we have little chance of this if we continue to lock-in fossil fuel sources of energy today. As important as the current economic crisis is, the world needs to recognize that the huge scale of the risks we are facing from climate change also need urgent action. And the window of opportunity for action has almost closed."

    Watching the world stumble along these days, it really looks like we aren't going to heed the warnings and won't get the job done. We will go beyond the limits of safety, we'll watch that window of opportunity close, and we will have more extreme weather sooner rather than later. I'd like to be wrong.

    The report talks about our shifting energy use and needs and makes projections out to 2035. Things will go on, just under new, less predictable rules and situations.

    The world won't end suddenly in 2017. It's more like it's our last chance to reconsider before hopping on an unfamiliar roller coaster. Once the climate coaster departs, we're riding it.

    The IEA is holding up a sign saying we don't have to ride, but that decision must be made now.

     

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    Five Years Before Climate Change is Irreversible, Says Report
    Authored by: Mr. Buddy Love on Wednesday, November 09 2011 @ 01:44 PM GMT+5
    This is one of the balmiest fall seasons I can remember in
    Vermont. Alaska is getting hit this week by a massive and
    intense sea storm. Texas has been baking in drought. This
    is the drastic weather that we are seeing NOW. Imagine
    how this will accelerate in the near future, as global
    temperatures go up?

    It's really too bad Al Gore didn't get to be president in
    2001. I know, he would have compromised on some
    things, and he picked Liebermann as his Veep, for crying
    out loud. But we would have probably had a ten year start
    on driving down U.S. carbon emissions.

    I hope it isn't too late. Maybe a dramatic event or series
    of events (Greenland sheet sliding off into the ocean?) will
    act like some kind of Pearl Harbor to get everyone's
    attention. There seems to be a tipping point in Americans'
    general awareness of global warming, but it is happening
    so late in the game. I'd like to see Obama make this an
    emergency issue, but I'm not holding my breath. Maybe
    he will kill off the ridiculous shale oil pipeline from Canada
    by studying it (a common stalling tactic) but we need
    more that that. We need to have the nation rise up with
    the world and demand alternative energy and
    conservation, radical change, an "accelerated evolution" of
    change if I can call it that.

    It kills me that people can ignore this issue or try to
    sweep it under the carpet.
    Climate Changed
    Authored by: Lise on Wednesday, November 09 2011 @ 01:46 PM GMT+5
    Cue the weather gods: right now in Alaska, they are having what the NWS is describing as an "epic, life- threatening" storm with winds up to hundred miles and hour and 40 ft waves spotted in the Bering Sea. My my. Oh, and blinding snow, of course. The Washington Post weather bloggers are calling it a snowicane (they are the same bloggers who, as far as I know, invented the term 'snowmageddon').

    And we just had a big October snowstorm that caused power to be out for over a week in parts of Connecticut, on top of a hurricane that some say caused flooding worse than the fabled '100 year flood' they talk about.

    Texas just had epic drought.

    Is epic going to be the new reality for regular, routine weather events? Like Chris, I was sort of expecting extreme climate change to kick in after I was dead and gone. This is too soon! GWBush said we would have to adapt. Humans are adaptable but a lot depends on what we're adapting to and how quickly...

    LALALALALALALALALALAL...Can't hear you with the headphones on....
    Authored by: spinoza on Wednesday, November 09 2011 @ 02:37 PM GMT+5
    Why spoil such a nice day with news about something that
    even esteemed aspirants for the highest office in the
    land see as no more than a theory??
    Scientific American Article on Greenhouse GAs
    Authored by: Rolf on Wednesday, November 09 2011 @ 02:47 PM GMT+5
    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-
    greenhouse-hamburger


    From the Preview for this article.

    "... according to a 2006 report
    by the United Nations Food and Agriculture
    Organization (FAO), our diets and, specifically, the
    meat in them cause more greenhouse gases carbon
    dioxide (CO2), methane, nitrous oxide, and the like
    to spew into the atmosphere than either
    transportation or industry. "

    It might be better to drive a Hummer to buy some
    beans for dinner, than to drive the Prius.

    Of course, it would be better to walk or ride a bike,
    and also opt for beans over meat.

    If this prediction is correct, both actions would seem
    "prudent" to say the least.

    ---
    Dreams Trump Video

    Meat Production: A Major Cause of Greenhouse Gases
    Authored by: SK-B on Thursday, November 10 2011 @ 08:28 AM GMT+5
    Earlier, about global warming in general, Mr. Buddy Love
    wrote:

    "It kills me that people can ignore this issue or try to
    sweep it under the carpet."

    That incisive statement applies particularly well to the blind-
    eye which even environmental activists turn toward the meat
    connection. As Rolf points out, meat production is a greater
    cause of greenhouse gases than either transportation or
    industry.

    Thanks, Rolf, for bringing it into this discussion. Let's see
    whether it even gets discussed here, and if whether there are
    any thoughtful and serious comments.
    Meat Production: A Major Cause of Greenhouse Gases
    Authored by: cgrotke on Thursday, November 10 2011 @ 10:20 AM GMT+5
    The IEA report said transporting things (such as food) around
    the globe was a primary emitter of carbon. They didn't
    mention factory farms, but did mention factories in general.
    Meat Production: A Major Cause of Greenhouse Gases
    Authored by: Rolf on Thursday, November 10 2011 @ 11:35 AM GMT+5
    The UN has been very clear, along with climate
    scientists, that the production on methane that
    comes with the production of meat, is a crucial
    problem.

    You might be as hard pressed to find a scientific
    body that does not see a link between global
    warming and meat production as you would finding a
    scientific body that does not see a link between man
    made releases of greenhouse gases and global
    warming.

    Here is an excerpt quoting the U.N.'s
    recommendations on meat consumption, entitled

    "UN says eat less meat to curb global warming"

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/sep/07
    /food.foodanddrink

    "The UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation has
    estimated that meat production accounts for nearly a
    fifth of global greenhouse gas emissions. These are
    generated during the production of animal feeds, for
    example, while ruminants, particularly cows, emit
    methane, which is 23 times more effective as a
    global warming agent than carbon dioxide. The
    agency has also warned that meat consumption is
    set to double by the middle of the century.

    'In terms of immediacy of action and the feasibility
    of bringing about reductions in a short period of
    time, it clearly is the most attractive opportunity,'
    said Pachauri. 'Give up meat for one day [a week]
    initially, and decrease it from there,' said the Indian
    economist, who is a vegetarian.

    However, he also stressed other changes in lifestyle
    would help to combat climate change. 'That's what I
    want to emphasise: we really have to bring about
    reductions in every sector of the economy.'

    ---
    Dreams Trump Video

    Meat Production: A Major Cause of Greenhouse Gases
    Authored by: Rolf on Thursday, November 10 2011 @ 12:04 PM GMT+5

    Dr Rajendra Pachauri, quoted in the above article, is the
    chair of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on
    Climate Change.

    ---
    Dreams Trump Video
    LALALALALALALALALALAL...Can't hear you with the headphones on....
    Authored by: bootsie on Thursday, November 10 2011 @ 09:24 PM GMT+5
    We have long past the point that global warming can be considerd a "mere theory". Temperatures near 70 in November, the storm on the 29!!!!
    Sceince speaks for itself!!!
    Climate Change is over
    Authored by: SJD on Wednesday, November 09 2011 @ 05:50 PM GMT+5
    Now comes Prof Muller, of Berkeley University in California, and Prof Curry, who chairs the Department Of Earth And Atmospheric Sciences at America’s Georgia Institute of Technology... pointing toward a positive change...

    Be suspicious of gloom and doom

    http://www.express.co.uk/features/view/280948/Is-global-warming-over-

    ---
    “Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves.”–Abe Lincoln

    Climate Change is over
    Authored by: cgrotke on Wednesday, November 09 2011 @ 06:36 PM GMT+5
    Be suspicious of someone making claims that are
    frequently debunked by the scientific community.

    One of her tricks is to find a tiny amount of uncertainty
    (available in everything) and then use it to question
    everything unnecessarily.

    Like this: There is a tiny amount of uncertainty that the
    sun won't rise tomorrow, therefore all evidence that the
    sun will be rising in the future must be called into
    question.

    I find it interesting that there is always one scientist who
    disagrees, so the other thousands must be wrong. And
    when that individual realizes that the thousands are indeed
    correct, another pops up to take the place of the one.

    Where are the large groups of scientists saying climate
    change isn't occurring? I'd like one large, reputable
    organization's name. Better yet, I'd like three that agree.

    Quoting a Murdoch tabloid story isn't enough to convince
    me.
    Climate Change is over
    Authored by: PutneyReject on Wednesday, November 09 2011 @ 07:13 PM GMT+5
    Chris, I agree with you completely but only wish you (and many others here) were consistent and would use the same reasoning when it comes to nuclear power and radiation.
    Five Years Before Climate Change is Irreversible, Says Report
    Authored by: Genie on Wednesday, November 09 2011 @ 06:17 PM GMT+5
    It was 10 years to doomsday five years ago.

    ---
    Wonders Never Cease.
    The Great Blue Norther of November 11, 1911
    Authored by: Vidda on Thursday, November 10 2011 @ 10:41 PM GMT+5
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Great Blue Norther of 11/11/11 was a cold snap that affected the central United States on Saturday, November 11, 1911. Many cities broke record highs early that afternoon. By nightfall, cities were dealing with single-digit temperatures on the Fahrenheit scale. This is the only day in many midwest cities' weather bureau jurisdictions where the record highs and lows were broken for the same day. Some cities experienced tornadoes on Saturday and a blizzard on Sunday.

    The main cause of such a dramatic cold snap was an extremely strong storm system separating warm, humid air from frigid, arctic air. Dramatic cold snaps tend to occur mostly in the month of November, though they can also come in February or March.

    Kansas City

    Temperatures in Kansas City had reached a record high of 76° F (24 °C) by late morning before the front moved through. As the cold front approached, the winds increased turning from southeast to northwest. By midnight, the temperature had dropped to 11° F, a 65 Fahrenheit degree (35 celsius degree) difference in 14 hours.

    Springfield, Missouri

    In Springfield, the temperature difference was even more extreme. Springfield was at 80 °F (27 °C) before the cold front moved through. Two hours later, the temperature was at 40 °F (4 °C) with winds blasting out of the northwest at 40 mph (65 km/h). By 7:00 P.M. Central Standard Time (01:00 UTC 12 November) the temperature had dropped a further 7 °F (3.9 °C), and by midnight, a record low of 13 °F (−11 °C) was established. It was the first time since records had been kept for Springfield when the record high and record low were broken in the same day. The freak temperature difference was also a record breaker: 67 °F (37 °C) in 10 hours.

    Record highs and lows were established on the same day in Oklahoma City as well with a high of 83 °F (28 °C) and low of 17 °F; temperature difference: 66 °F (36 °C). This record still holds to this day.

    Anomalous weather

    The front produced severe weather and tornadoes across the upper Mississippi Valley, a blizzard in Ohio, and the windy conditions upon front passage caused a dust storm in Oklahoma. Nine tornadoes were reported in the states of Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, and Wisconsin. An F4 tornado hit in Janesville, Wisconsin killing 9 and injuring 50. Within an hour of the tornado, survivors were working in blizzard conditions and near zero temperatures to rescue people trapped in debris.
    Five Years Before Climate Change is Irreversible, Says Report
    Authored by: cgrotke on Friday, November 11 2011 @ 10:38 AM GMT+5
    Seems most people agree that we're five years away from
    catastrophic changes to our climate.

    It also seems like we're deer in the headlights, staring at
    the approaching collision but not able to move.

    We also have some doubters, saying those aren't
    headlights. Or if they are headlights, they aren't coming
    from a car.

    I get the feeling that we'll be increasingly dealing with
    aftermaths of weather events, which will slowly crush the
    economy. Our taxes won't be able to cover the costs, and
    people will lose the ability to donate to cover shortfalls.

    We'll likely make poor, reactionary decisions in efforts to
    preserve what clearly needs to change.

    Mutual aid will become scarce, as communities become
    overwhelmed with their own weather event damages. The
    desire to help will remain, but it will become more and
    more impractical.

    Each event will cause the loss of more homes or
    businesses. It will be pointless to relocate, though, as no
    place will be immune from the climate.

    It will be increasingly hard to start something new. People
    will be tired and exhausted, and begin to feel less
    optimistic and less likely to take risks.

    We may, as people do in war, begin to ignore what is
    going on day to day and think of better times to come at
    some future date. Next year...
    Denial of an inconvenient truth
    Authored by: SK-B on Friday, November 11 2011 @ 11:19 AM GMT+5
    When it comes the indisputably major impact of the meat-
    centered Standard American Diet (SAD) on producing
    greenhouse gases, even those of us who fully cognizant of the
    irrational denial of global warming in general; are often
    ourselves in complete denial.

    Chris' comment is an example of how even those of us who
    ordinarily have the clear vision to face facts, can have our own
    gaping blind-spots.
    Phoenix
    Authored by: spinoza on Friday, November 11 2011 @ 11:57 AM GMT+5
    I dont really follow the point you've made. Seems to me CG
    was talking about apathy, or indifference from fatigue. We
    can't face every front at once.

    But as far as a silver lining to the problem you highlight--
    The massive deforestation of the rainforest- the lungs of the
    planet- which is a large factor in beef industry havoc, can be
    reversed. The rainforest is one of the most highly
    renenerative places in the world.

    The same can't be said of coal or oil extraction.

    So many behemoths- limited time, and focus.
    Phoenix on fire ?
    Authored by: Rolf on Friday, November 11 2011 @ 01:24 PM GMT+5


    Actually, the rain forests are being cleared in part to
    produce cheap beef for export to North America.

    http://www.rainforestconcern.org/rainforest_facts/why_bei
    ng_destroyed/

    ---
    Dreams Trump Video

    Phoenix on fire ?
    Authored by: Rolf on Friday, November 11 2011 @ 01:26 PM GMT+5


    Sometimes, I read too quickly, and type even more
    quickly.



    ---
    Dreams Trump Video
    The meat of the matter
    Authored by: Rolf on Friday, November 11 2011 @ 01:38 PM GMT+5

    I was not personally trying to say that others are
    "blind". I was trying to point out that meat production
    is understood to be a major component to the
    greenhouse gas mess, and it needs to be focused
    on. As the UN notes, dropping meat from the diet is
    the quickest way to have a positive impact. It is
    entirely in one's control, and has major effects.

    The reason that scientists say that meat production
    is an major culprit in the production of green house
    gasses is not simply that it has to be transported.

    It is the fact that it results in the production of
    enormous amounts of methane, which is more than
    20 times more potent at trapping heat than CO2.


    It is also the fact that it releases much more CO2
    into the atmosphere to grow soy and corn and then
    feed it to a cow or pig which literally wastes that food,
    ie turns into waste.

    Some people want to drive wasteful cars, because
    they enjoy driving them. Their goal is not to be
    wasteful. Their goal is to enjoy driving.

    Some people want to eat meat, because they enjoy
    it. It is unnecessary, and enjoyable. I eat meat
    whenever I see it being thrown away, (provided it has
    not been touched by anyone else of course).

    I think the analogy is exact.

    There is no reason to be like a deer in the
    headlights. As the experts say, it is time to act.

    ---
    Dreams Trump Video
    The meat of the matter
    Authored by: cgrotke on Friday, November 11 2011 @ 01:52 PM GMT+5
    I'd like to think we'll make smart decisions for the
    betterment of others, but see no real evidence that this will
    occur anytime soon.

    Do you really, truly think we'll get our collective act
    together? My doubts grow daily.

    Let's drive to McDonald's and discuss. : )
    The meat of the matter
    Authored by: Rolf on Friday, November 11 2011 @ 02:43 PM GMT+5
    I guess my take is, that the point of contemplation
    of the awful is to avoid it.

    Other wise, contemplation of the awful merely creates
    more awful. It can be entertaining but not really
    beneficial. ( Did you see those disaster movies in
    the 1970's? I did. Inferno made me afraid of
    elevators for years.)

    I am a real worrier. Recently Cynthia said to me,
    "Worrying is what you do so that you do everything
    you can to make the
    horrible not happen. And then you stop".

    Unless discourse about the horrible is linked to
    action, I don't experience it as beneficial to the
    problem at hand, or to the conversation or to the
    mind. It needs saying once.

    That's not being Pollyanna, it's just trying to strike a
    balance between worrying and doing and letting go in
    the right proportions.

    On a tangential note, it's also why I am focused on
    goofball fun. People need to laugh, even if the world
    does collapse, maybe even more so. And, laughing
    gives them fuel to keep plugging on, working on
    things that need to be worked on. At least some
    types of humor can have that effect.

    Bacon double cheese?





    ---
    Dreams Trump Video
    Phoenix on fire ?
    Authored by: spinoza on Friday, November 11 2011 @ 01:41 PM GMT+5
    My point is your point. Sorry I wasn't clearer.
    Denial of an inconvenient truth
    Authored by: cgrotke on Friday, November 11 2011 @ 01:34 PM GMT+5
    Yes, until we are forced to do so by circumstance beyond
    our control, I doubt we'll really change much of anything.

    We won't stop eating meat until there is no meat to eat.
    We won't stop using oil until it is all gone. For every
    energy-saving lightbulb we replace, we add an ipod or
    phone to use up whatever power may have been saved.

    We may even cling to these things more than ever, as we
    know deep down it is fleeting but they provide us with
    comfort in an increasingly complex world.
    Denial of an inconvenient truth
    Authored by: Rolf on Friday, November 11 2011 @ 01:49 PM GMT+5

    "We" is actually composed of individuals. I think
    encouraging individuals is more important than
    stating we are doomed. People who feel doomed
    don't tend to even try.

    Saying "We are in real peril", is very different than
    saying we will fail, no matter how bad the odds, eh?



    ---
    Dreams Trump Video
    Denial of an inconvenient truth
    Authored by: cgrotke on Friday, November 11 2011 @ 02:16 PM GMT+5
    Well, we should expect it to be harder and harder to actually
    get meat as systems get disrupted and habitats change.
    People may stop eating it due to cost more than anything
    else. (I can recall small filet mignon cuts of beef for under
    $3-5 a decade ago that now sell for closer to $12-15... ).

    I think the real question is how are we going to be dealing
    with this new world of weather when our (best?) efforts fail.
    Denial of an inconvenient truth
    Authored by: Rolf on Friday, November 11 2011 @ 02:30 PM GMT+5
    If our best efforts utterly fail, survivalism won't seem to
    wacky anymore.

    All the more reason to learn how to play guitar now.

    ---
    Dreams Trump Video
    Five Years Before Climate Change is Irreversible, Says Report
    Authored by: cgrotke on Thursday, January 26 2012 @ 03:13 PM GMT+5
    Tick, tick, tick...
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  • Brattleboro Weekly Poll
    This March, I'm most enthusiastic about my vote for Selectboard going to
    Chris Chapman
    Dick DeGray
    David Gartenstein
    Kathryn Turnas II
    Someone else (or write-in)
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