NYC Firefighters Speakout
Evidence of fraud and cover up is disclosed.
Official 9/11 story is challenged.
In concert with Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Firefighters of New York dare to ask questions and raise concerns that should have been addressed over 14 years ago when 2966 civilians, 343 Firemen, 70 Policemen, 1 Policewoman and EMT’s lost their lives.
Since that time 1400 more first responders have died breathing air that was declared safe by then head of the EPA, Christine Todd Whitman. 1. It seems if we exercise our free speech rights to question the official story, a story that makes no logical sense and is riddled with unanswered questions:
- our loyalty is questioned
- our credibility is compromised
- our integrity is called into doubt
- our jobs are lost or federal funding is eliminated
My name is Chris Pratt, I am the Reluctant Activist and I am calling on the citizens of Brattleboro and adjacent first responders to bear witness to those that fell on this day. Be brave enough to look, to listen and pull your country out of the rubble and into the light.
On Sunday, November 15th, Richard Gage an architect and the founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth will be at the Hooker Dunham Theater at 7PM (139 Main Street) to play a film and field some questions.
Seating is limited we suggest arriving early.
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- A. Firefighters for 9/11 Truth: http://ff911truthandunity.org
- B. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth: https://AE911Truth.Org
- 1. 1400 More: https://suncommunitynews.com/opinions/death-toll-911-continues-rise/
- 2. a few words: https://youtu.be/OsoY3AIRUGA
Could you please inform us as
Could you please inform us as to how many NYC Firefighters are involved in this film. All the links point to is one retired Seattle firefighter who has a web site that lists no other names or members. I can find no organization called Firefighters of NY and am curious as to who and how many Firefighters of NY were involved in the making of this film as your headline states. Thanks.
Links should all be working now
Erik Lawyer, founder of Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, awakens the audience to the startling evidence found by firefighters at the World Trade Center crime scene WHO ARE IN THE FILM— and explains what a real investigation should have looked for.
As a former Seattle firefighter, Erik has over 25 years of emergency services experience. He compliments the expertise of Richard Gage, AIA, 28-year architect and founder of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth. Over 200 firefighters and 2,300 architects and engineers are calling for a new investigation of the destruction of the three skyscrapers at the World Trade Center.
https://www.911truthoutreach.org/557-news-releases/461-firefight
Why don’t you come and decide for yourself what is fact and what is willful blindness? Is this not the real issue? I’ll reserve a seat – no charge.
Question Richard Gage in person
Since Richard Gage will be at this showing ain’t no time like the present to question him in person.
Willfull blindness . . .
Willfull blindness . . . really. There are 10,000 firefighters in NYC alone. Your title is misleading. There is one retired Seattle firefighter tied to this project and that looks to be about it as far as firefighters go, let alone New York City firefighters. Perhaps you could let us know how many of those other 200 firefighters who have been tied to Gage for years are from New York City. It seems like Gage and this firefighter are cut from the same cloth, not there, no connection, no applicable experience and yet full of wisdom. Willfull blindness my foot. Free of charge, how generous of you, how much are you charging for the seats? I hope all funds garnered go to the real firefighters of New York City. But perhaps you could explain the title of the film. I ask again, where are those New York City firefighters? Your title appears to be a deceit.
They are speaking in the film. Why not come listen?
Rosa I am way too busy for this BS. You are a perfect example of how the opposition typically operates. Evade the evidence and redirect the focus; quite a nasty thing actually. Someday the public will hopefully see through this rather primitive tactic.
I do not know how many firefighters were in the production crew. If there was but one and he/she had a valid, credible point to make should they not be given the opportunity to speak? What are you doing on 11-15? Come question and challenge the evidence — apply your energy there – not how many firefighters were in the production crew.
For the record … 2300 Architects and Engineers, 200 firefighters question the official story and have produced reams of evidence substantiating their concerns. Their viewpoints are shared by thousands of others from these groups and millions of US citizens who are too paralyzed by fear and denial to even look at the evidence.
Artists and Actors for 9/11 truth,
Medical Professionals for 9/11 truth
Political Leaders for 9/11 truth,
Pilots for 9/11 truth
Scholars for 9/11 truth
Scientists for 9/11 truth
US Military Officers for 9/11 truth
If you want an excellent source for 50 highly credentialed government officials who have spoken out against this charade go here;
http://www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion911commissionreport
OK Rosa I am done. Let’s let others speak. I hope you can apply your energy to an analysis and a questioning of the evidence. You know focus on what is being said — not who is saying it. You have strong opinions. Are you coming?
Why evade Rosa's question?
Rosa Bon Bonheur said that the title: ” NYC Firefighters Speakout” is misleading, and asked Chris Pratt to please tell us, “how many of those other 200 firefighters who have been tied to Gage for years are from New York City.”
That does seem to me to be a fair and reasonable question: Not “BS” as characterized by Chris Pratt.
Rosa’s question is clear. All she is asking for is a number. Instead of giving a straightforward answer, Chris gives Rosa static, and — in a lengthy non-response — reiterates previous assertions, but at no point does he answer Rosa’s very reasonable question.
Chris admonishes Rosa that we should let others speak. OK, I am speaking, and asking you to please answer Rosa’s question: How many of the 200 firefighters cited are NYC firefighters?
How Many???
The question has been asked: “how many of those other 200 firefighters who have been tied to Gage for years are from New York City.”
I can’t answer the question, because I haven’t seen the film yet.
I can say that this story appears in the film: An audiotape of firefighters last moments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8Lsnx4Igic
This was revealed by Gerhard Bedding of Keene, who is showing the same film this coming Tuesday at the Keene Public Library @6:30.
I did a short search tonight, and there are numerous articles on NYC Firefighters and the 9/11 treachery.
In one, a 9/11 Firefighter Speaks With ABC News 10 Years Later:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/September_11/911-firefighter-speaks-abc-news-10-years/story?id=14456184
In another, a retired FDNY Firefighter Tells Chilling Story of 9/11 Search and Rescue 12 Years Later:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/11/retired-fdny-firefighter-tells-chilling-story-of-911-search-and-rescue-12-years-later/
Another one is a video that has been showing for years:” NYFD say Explosives brought down Towers” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlAkF7E2nCs There is some Iconic footage at 4:59
This one, on a similar note is also rather iconic: 9/11 Firefighters Reveal Bombs Destroyed World Trade Buildings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FZmBmfWn60
Bombs and explosions seem to be a popular theme with the NYC Firefighters that were on the scene: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_firefighters.html
This is an affinity group. However, membership is not restricted to actual NYC Firefighters: “911 Firefighters For Truth & UNITY” http://ff911truthandunity.org/
You can see many videos featuring NYC Firefighters here: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=911+Firefighters+&ia=videos
If you want NYC Firefighters quotes, you can get them here: http://www.searchquotes.com/search/911_Firefighters/
From the bottom of my heart…
I wish I could believe that my government was the “shining city on the hill” and that they would never ever lie or deceive us. Unfortunately, I can’t believe it.
The Federal government is big enough and rich enough to do what it wants, and when it wants to deceive, it does it big-time. This is called propaganda, and it is another name for “repeated official lying in order to get a majority of the public to believe what we want them to”.
Centuries of government deception have suspended our freedom and replaced it with a mythology rich in the ideals we are promised but do not actually experience.
I can’t begin to describe the enormity of this dishonesty. Judge Andrew P. Napolitano tries in his book “Lies the Government Told You”
Regardless of what really happened on that day of infamy, there have been enduring impacts on all of us. Fourteen years ago the United States wasn’t officially engaged in any wars. Few of us had ever heard of al-Qaeda or Osama bin Laden, and ISIS didn’t exist. Homeland Security was a meaningless phrase. Our surveillance state was a fraction of its current size. And you didn’t have to take your shoes off at the airport.
America’s involvement in the War on Terror — prompted by the 9/11 events — resulted in changing attitudes and concerns about safety and vigilance. It ushered in a new generation of policies like the Patriot Act that prioritized national security and defense, often at the expense of civil liberties. These changes had ripple effects across the globe, particularly in the Middle East, where American-led military operations have helped foment rebellions and unrest throughout the region.
And the beat goes on. Where will it end?
Probably Never. I agree with
Probably Never. I agree with much of what you have said here. It’s quite likely that some underhand subterfuge surrounds the events of 9-11. For me the fantastical theories of no planes, demolitions, pulverization, no fires, thermite, muddy the waters, divert attention and in some cases are nonsensical. Combine that with people who are making a pretty tidy living off the event (Gage) or seem to be trying to re Gage (take a look at some of Lawyer’s web sites) are reprehensible. Why take a look at Gage’s online store, not only can you purchase tee shirts, sweat shirts, coffee mugs you can even purchase your very own A&E 9-11 truth coffee. How many ways can you spell disrespectful? So while there is undoubtedly some “truth” that hasn’t been uncovered yet Occam’s Razor should be the guiding principle.
To Rosa and SB-K Both of you
To Rosa and SB-K
Both of you have have mentioned that the title Firefighters Speaking Out is misleading and Rosa even used the word deceit.
The original 911 Commission report said there were no witnesses to the explosions. It was only after a Freedom of Information Request was filed by the New York Times that this information came out in August 2005.
I have edited the film in question to exactly this spot. What you will hear in this clip is nothing but firefighters, emergency responders and other witnesses speaking out.
https://youtu.be/R6twX3qvSms
The second clip is of a New York City fireman (Rudy Dent) discussing what he feels is obvious fraud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQrpLp-X0ws
I do not know how many of the 200 fireman who joinned the Firefighters for 911 Truth were former NYC fireman. I would suggest you contact Erik Lawyer (the founder) directly for such.
According to CNN, compensation for families of the deceased, average $2 million.
I can also tell you that active fire, police and military personnel are reluctant to come forward for fear of losing their jobs and their pensions as mentioned by Rudy Dent.
What I said...
was that Rosa was being addressed rudely, instead of having her question answered.
The issue being raised here is important enough to be addressed in an adult manner.
FYIErik Lawyer appears to be
FYI
Erik Lawyer appears to be the only member of Firefighters for 9-11 Truth, there is no membership list and he is the only person listed on the site. Therefore it really is Firefighter for 9-11 Truth, apparently. The 200 firefighters I referred to were those A&E have in the past claimed to have signed onto their site. As I stated there are over 10,000 firefighters in NYC. I really must take exception with your statement that over 10,000 NYC firefighters are afraid to come forward. Rudy Dent is not a very credible source, he has a bit of a sketchy background. I would be careful about quoting him as a reliable source. NYC firefighters prove everyday and certainly have proven the day of 9-11 that they are beyond brave and courageous. To say that 10,000 of NYCs finest, except for Rudy Dent of course, are reluctant to come forward and speak out is ludicrous and insulting.
One last FYI. There at least
One last FYI. There at least 2 million engineers in the United States. The number who have signed onto 9-11 A&E is miniscule.
Any fool can see
You don’t need to be an expert to wonder what the hell happened for three buildings to come down on their footprint at freefall or to wonder what happened to the plane that tucked its wings in that hit the Pentagon, or to wonder what happened to the plane that went down in Pennsylvania. Amid all the other “coincidences”that happened on that day. We were attacked and our government let us down horrifically. If you can’t see that then I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
Rosa - the earth is not flat
Look at the facts raised , question and debate the evidence. Apply logic, reason and critical thinking to the government’s position and you are left with the only thing you can do — discredit the speakers.
I wonder how many people were adamant that the earth was flat when objective thought was proving otherwise. How long did it take for the public to accept the facts? What’s your position on climate change?
Well Chris, I've done all
Well Chris, I’ve done all that including reading the NIST papers and my logic and reasoning are intact, my critical thinking is reasonably solid and I was in NYCity that day, had many friends who were there, knew some who didn’t make it out, did some volunteering with the local precinct after so had contact with local police who were there, knew two policemen who didn’t make it out and I simply haven’t found anything that is credible in these purported facts. And again I must say that your statement about NYC firefighters being afraid to speak out just doesn’t ring true and is to my mind dismissive of some extremely brave people.
I also wonder how many people were adamant that the earth was flat blah blah but my thought is that flat earthers equals 9-11 truthers. There’s no point in being so defensive and accusatory of someone who asks questions if your position is that strong. And I just like to see a little more accuracy in your advertising. I think it’s misleading. If you want to use the firefighters for gain then at least show a little respect. They’re perfectly capable of speaking out, these are not fearful people. Enough said.
Evidence
When the facts are reviewed and evidence is weighed, your side comes up short. Just like the climate change deniers, anti-vaxxers, radiation scaredy cats, fluoridation crackpots, etc.
You want empirical evidence
From an empire of death? Evidence can come from other sources too but is not recognized by the people of the Empire of Death. Do you understand where the fluoride comes from that is added to your water supply? It’s not from pristine springs the way fluoride naturally occurs. It comes from the pollution scrubbers of the fertilizer industry! Yes! Amazing as that sounds, it seems that you have been duped on this so perhaps the other issues too? The two most common types of fluoride added to water are hydrofluorosilicic acid or sodium silicofluoride – delicious no? And as for lumping “anti-vaxxers” in the same boat as climate deniers, your brain seems to limited to only two camps. Vaccines are a Trojan horse to the immune system but that’s another story. And so is radiation poisoning.
Empire of Death?
I wonder why some people are more predisposed to believe in crackpot theories?
Crackpot theories
Ya want “crackpot theories”? I have a doozie for you. How about this:
19 disaffected Saudi losers, led by a very sick man living in a cave in Afghanistan were able to defeat the full defenses of the world’s most powerful nation and crash 3 airliners into buildings, one of which, just coincidentally happened to be one of the most heavily defended buildings in the world (It even has a battery of guided missiles mounted on the roof).
Ain’t that a hoot? (A real knee slapper!).
Sorry I'll pass on this
Vidda: Sorry I’ll pass on this wonderful opportunity to ask pointless questions from a 3rd rate architect who has scrambled to make a ghoulish living from the deaths of my fellow New Yorkers.
What happened that day
Well, Rosa, of course my suggestion to viewers to stay for the Richard Gage Q&A after the film included you, but it was actually directed to anyone who had an interest in what happened that day.
Ghoulish?
The real ghouls are the ones who perpetrated this horrible crime, and they are not the alleged 13 disaffected Saudis led by a dying man living in a cave.
Cognitive dissonance anyone???
You don’t need to be a firefighter or any other quotable ‘expert
This compilation from tomaidh shown above should answer a boatload of questions but if it doesn’t, let me tell our readers something as a layman.
You don’t need to be a firefighter, architect or any other quotable ‘expert’ to ‘know’ those towers were a highly sophisticated demolition job.
When any building collapses the floor collapse sequences follow a path of least resistance and often topple, or pancake in a sliding motion, ‘except’ when they are wired with explosives. Those three towers, as many films from different angles show were dropped straight down into their footprints in ten seconds!
So, those you who can’t accept that, get over it.
If you don’t want to help find the truth – fine. But get out of our way and stop being miserable obstructionists. You got your ‘official’ report, so ‘believe it’ if you want to, but why don’t you just leave those of us who want to show the truth alone.
We are not the conspirators, the combine operation from ‘within and without’ that attacked our country are the conspiracists.
And, thanks to the miserable obstructionists they are getting away with murder.
Have you even read the NIST
Have you even read the NIST report? The explanation of the structure of the building makes it clear that the building could easily pancake as it did. Also let’s say I’m a renowned architect or engineer in 2006 designing two word record high buildings in an extremely congested area. Considering that the average lifespan of most buildings is around 50 years wouldn’t I consider a design that would be the most likely to drop straight down as much as possible. But again I ask did you honestly read through the NIST report in it’s entirety or are you simply dismissing what was presented?
Also for a group of people who claim to be so interested in the truth, it seems you are all quite defensive about being asked questions or questioned and quickly resort to attacks. Asking a few questions isn’t creating obstructions, or at least it shouldn’t be considered that. If you have the truth in hand, you wouldn’t mind answering a few questions it seems to me.
Why I refer to people like you as "miserable obstructionists"
I’ll honestly tell you I did not read the, what is it, 10,000 pages in the NIST report. I won’t deny that you read the full report, but I do find it strange that you do not claim to have conducted any significant peer review, considering that peer review would be tantamount to asking questions, the very same questions you criticize us for asking. In that sense I’m not particularly impressed that you read, what, the entire NIST report. You shouldn’t criticize those who did not read the ‘whole’ report.
I also have no way of confirming how much you’ve read or viewed anything.
Ironically, much of the NIST report is covered in the counter evidence anyway, otherwise there’d be no way to dispute the report.
Just about all of the buildings, small and large, in NYC are in congested areas. That’s what the concrete canyons are all about. If it’s true, as you claim, that “the average lifespan of most buildings is around 50 years,” the Empire State Building and thousands of other buildings are about due for a collapse. Overdue, in fact. A small or large building collapse is a critical safety concern for every building, it just a matter of decree. Is the collapse of the Latchis Hotel imminent?
You keep sidestepping one important piece of evidence under consideration: “PULVERIZATION.”
The ‘built-in’ pancaking you mention often takes a sliding pancaking on a path of least resistance. It’s part of a gravitational collapse sequence. But the floors at the tops of the Towers and most floors under were pulverized. In a gravitational floor by floor pancake collapse the top floors of the Towers would visible during their ‘built-in’ pancake descent. But the top floors of the towers were not intact, not visible and were in fact pulverized. That doesn’t mean that there were not pieces, or parts of the structures, just that the biggest parts of the building were, again, pulverized.
Any large scale amount of pulverization is only possible in a controlled demolition – it is not possible in a straightforward gravitational pancake collapse.
When people who ask questions about 9/11 are called conspiracy nuts, ghouls, opportunists, Un-American, and more on a wide trail of abuse, etc, if I were you I wouldn’t be so quick to claim that “you are all quite defensive about being asked questions or questioned and quickly resort to attacks.”
We were and are attacked by many people just like you for asking the questions in the first place, which is why, in part, I refer to people like you as miserable obstructionists.
50 years Vidda, look it up.
50 years Vidda, look it up. The construction of the Empire State building and others from that era is radically different than today’s skyscrapers. The use of tubular steel and new design innovations allow for the towering heights of today’s buildings. However it also makes them more likely to have a shorter lifespan. Also particularly with the WTC the construction was done in a manner to make the building as lightweight as possible so the design involved the use of less “solid” materials first of all so the building would have “sway” due to the high winds experienced at the upper levels and secondly simply to make it lighter. The construction didn’t use a boxy traditional steel frame with multiple interior supports. Look it up. Of course if you don’t recognize that the Latches Hotel is constructed quite differently than the World Trade Center Towers were there’s really nothing to discuss here.
“Miserable obstructionists”. A little sensitive today aren’t we? However now that I”ve gotten a little off topic re the building construction might I point out that the only question I initially asked was how many Firefighters involved in this project are actually from New York City. That’s a question about membership which should be easily obtainable since 911 A&E now has non-profit status. You know, open disclosure and all. Pardon me for pointing out that the huge numbers of firefighters just in NYC (10,000), engineers (over 2 million, and architects (around 100,000) make the membership of 9-11 A&E insignificant. Well I guess all the ones who didn’t sign on are just trembling in a corner in fear of losing their jobs if they speak out. Yup that must be it.
But I’ll move on now and not bother you with my pesky questions or observations. It’s sort of pointless if you truly believe that you can compare the Latches Hotel with the World Trade Center.
PULVERIZATION!
Rosa, you wanna talk about pointless or nothing to discuss…?
Have any of our readers noticed that Rosa (and other people in other discussions that I generated previously) has not addressed my claims that three Towers, 1, 2 and 7, were pulverized?
Also, Rosa, you’re mixing and matching your comments to me and Chris. While I agree with Chris, I do not discuss the numbers game (and I don’t think he does either). I will say if only 3 architects questioned the NIST report, that’s enough for me.
Also, I didn’t compare Latchis with the towers.
But since you’re moving on, I just say happy trails to you.
PULVERIZATION? NOT!
Pulverize: to reduce (as by crushing, beating, or grinding) to very small particles : atomize
Didn’t happen, sorry but you are 100% wrong.
Well, look who popped up
I demand to know your dictionary source. How dare you look up the definition. That’s cheating.
Sorry, Put, but in this case it’s a demolition term, and it doesn’t mean to atomize everything. Bit and pieces will do. Don’t think even one entire steel beam was found intact. BTW, there is no such thing as 100% right or wrong.
Rosa, I am disappointed. Your vacuum let the cat in.
I'm 100% Sure You Are 100% Wrong
You are fast overtaking the climate change deniers with your nonsense and the worst part is that people like you and Pratt make impossible at ask any reasonable questions. I didn’t think chronic dope smoker affected intelligence but I may have to rethink my position….
I will continue to relentlessly mock you and the rest of the “truthers” til the cows come home.
On a scale of 1 to a 100
It would be rather difficult to overtake climate deniers as I am in accord with the science behind climate change. Perhaps there’s another ‘denier nonsense’ you can imagine about me.
“…the worst part is that people like you and Pratt make impossible at ask any reasonable questions.”
That’s odd, I thought we were asking the reasonable questions. Ah well, it’s all in one’s perspective, isn’t it?
Holy cow, you’re a chronic dope smoker? I wouldn’t have guessed.
Personally, I like my glass of sherry or port, particularly during my matinee meal.
BTW, I’m not a truther, but mock-away as you wish, Put.
Science is Science
It doesn’t matter if it’s WTC collapse, climate change, vaccines, GMO foods, Wind Turbine Syndrome, etc., the science doesn’t care if you are “accord” with it. You seem to have an over inflated ego there chap.
Always amazes me that people completely ignorant of a scientific topic never hesitate to throw their opinion around like it means something. Maybe they can’t separate the science from the policy discussion.
You and I are strangers. Let’s keep it that way.
Hey Put, you and I are strangers. Let’s keep it that way.
NIST Report
No Rosa I have not read the entire NIST report — have you? Can you prove it? It sucks having your credibilty questioned. As far as the NIST report goes I have to look no futher than their two page summary of findings which concludes that WTC 1,2 and 7 all collapsed due to fire.
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/wtc_about.cfm
Do I know what happened? Absolutely not. Do I believe NIST’s description of what happened? Absolutely not. Bush was dragged into an investigation by families of the deceased. He only agreed to testify if it was not under oath (can you imagine) , behind closed doors and with Dick Cheney at his side.
Considering that the world we now live in is a direct consequence of the events of 9/11, it would seem imperative that the public would want to know. Remember all I am trying to do is bring an interesting speaker to Brattleboro for a film screening and to answer questions.
Support or challenge NIST and the government’s postion — that is the point of this event, one that encourages the return of thinking, objective reasoning, discussion and debate. Determine for yourself what is true and what isn’t, what is fact and what is fiction.
I hope that you and local firefighters come to this event prepared to speak out. Richard Gage is a world class expert on these topics (challenge the findings, the assumptions and the recomendations that he and this his film makes.
For the record Rosa I have spent 15,000 hours researching various topics related to this issue. These efforts resulted in my first film “deceptions”, a remxed video that was released in 2010. It was well reviewed and has recieved thousands of views as have 39 other videos that I have edited or produced. In fact my You Tube Channel has recieved over 208,000 views.
https://www.youtube.com/user/deceptionsUSA
Further 40 Community TV stations (PEG-TV) have downloaded my three films and have played them to well well over 1 million households.
http://www.pegmedia.org/index.php?q=msvr/showall/631/detai&page=26
I also have completed two websites and am working on a third: http://TheReluctantActivist.Org which receives over 1000 news viewers every month. I was a systems analysts for a software company that I founded for over 10 years. I also founded the Brain Injury Association of Vermont. http://BIAVT.Org
In short I am certainly qualified to bring in a speaker and a film to Brattleboro that will encourage people to think, to fact check, to analyze and to discuss how WTC 1, 2 and & 7 collpsed. That is the essence of this event and I hope that you and others do not lose site of that.
Please be advised that I am now ending the Chris/ Rosa dialogues in the hopes that others will feel free to get involved.
And still no answer to my
And still no answer to my initial question which was really quite a simple one to answer . . . or should be . . .
Just in case you forgot it was this, how many NY City firefighters actually worked on this project since your title gives the impression that many did. Until it is answered and the number is more than the one retired Seattle firefighter I believe that your poster should read
Firefighter
Architects & Engineers
Hopefully your CV is more accurate than your advertising for this event.
Honesty
Do you seriously believe it makes any difference how many NY City firefighters actually worked on this particular project?
It is certain that many NYFD people were deeply affected. You can read what many of them thought about it here:
http://www.searchquotes.com/search/911_Firefighters/
I honestly don’t know what actually happened. I feel that the official story is a partial truth. But it’s the tip of the iceberg. There’s a lot more to the story that we’re just not being told.
If you study history, and you eliminate the natural disasters, what remains is mainly the story of conspiracies.
Why should it be any different today?
Yes I seriously do believe it
Yes I seriously do believe it makes a difference how many NYC firefighters worked on this project when the advertising says “NYC Firefighters Speak Out” when in fact it appears that the only firefighter involved is a retired Seattle fire department member. Combine this with the fact that the event is produced by someone who has made a cottage business out of 9-11 and sells 9-11 Truth coffee on his web site and I think it is very important to point out any discrepancies. Your quotes are touching but from what I could see they all spoke to deep sorrow about the events and loss. No correlation or connection whatsoever with this movie or event.
Stop playing the Rosa Game. This has become a character assault
Stop this nonesense and stand up to what is obvious diversion — by coming.
Come see, listen and decide for yourself. If there is truth to the argument you should know. If you reject the evidence that is your choice as well.
I think I have said this now 3 times. I guess I should be thanking Rosa for making it so obvious.
Cognitive Dissonance
Rosa has a classic case of C-D: the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who is confronted by information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values.
It’s quite common in the US.
The only known cure is beheadment.
You guys are really
You guys are really something. Character assassination: the act of saying false things about a person usually in order to make the public stop liking or trusting that person. I’m not sure what has been said here that is false, I thought I clearly stated when something was my opinion. Are you saying it’s untrue that A& 9-11 Truth sells 9-11 Truth coffee beans. Look on Gage’s web site. I’ve only stated opinions or clearly true statements. And that results in calling for my beheading. Wow what a crew you all are. . . in my opinion.
Excuse me Rosa?
“You guys are really something…And that results in calling for my beheading. Wow what a crew you all are. . . in my opinion.”
What is this business of “you guys” and “what a crew you all are…”
You guys, you all??
How about a little discernment here? We are not clones any more than you, sk-b or putney reject are.
What is going on here?
I believe the original question in this thread was “how many” NYC firefighters are involved in the program at Hooker-Dunham Theater on 11/15? The answer came back quickly that the NYC firefighters who raise questions are in the film itself.
I am not sure that the quantity is important if the questions asked are relevant. How many firefighters would it take to silence the critics of those who continue to question the official story on 9/11?
The program on 11/15 sounds of interest and I would hope that those interested will attend. That is our system: free right to assemble, speak and even question official answers. Go or don’t go.
Next thread, please.
Andy
Because of mistrust of government
It slays me that people will be highly critical of “conspiracy theorists” yet rarely use the same scrutiny towards the government, even after lies and grotesque abuses like WMD’s, surveillance, TTP, corporate liabilities carried by taxpayers, torture, incarceration of whistleblowers and many more instances too numerous to mention. That syndrome should have a name for it. It has been called cognitive dissonance but it’s a dissonance that works one way only, it belittles the ordinary person’s opinions, even when based on thorough research, while giving the big government, a trusting pass, like it is beyond reproach. How anyone can trust a government that sent thousands of our young to slaughter in a war based on lies (Iraq) maintaining troops there to this day, over a “mistake” and still has not so much as apologized, is difficult to understand. Yet rarely do the conspiracy deniers seem the slightest bit concerned about this and continue to defend government’s case religiously no matter how convoluted. Three buildings turning to dust on their own footprint were not the only “coincidences” that happened that day.